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International Union Uaw Local 230

EIN 95-1562048 • 501(c)6 • Ontario, CA

Profile

Labor Organization

5141 Santa Ana StreetOntario, CA 91761-8619
Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

72nd percentile

0.08x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 72% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Liabilities / Revenue

75th percentile

0.07x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 75% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Net Margin

56th percentile

3.6%

Higher net margin than 56% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Top Officer Pay

79th percentile

$5,941

Higher top officer pay than 79% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 4.2% of source-year revenue.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Asset Growth

59th percentile

3.3%

Faster asset growth than 59% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Revenue Growth

34th percentile

-11%

Faster revenue growth than 34% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Assets

Down

$130,193

Down $19,293 (-13%) from 2023

Liabilities

Down

$15,485

Down $14,969 (-49%) from 2023

Net Assets

Down

$114,708

Down $4,324 (-3.6%) from 2023

Revenue

Up

$158,904

Up $6,830 (+4.5%) from 2023

Expenses

Up

$178,197

Up $20,894 (+13%) from 2023

Net Income

Down

-$19,293

Down $14,064 (-269%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2011: $60,226Liabilities 2011: $5,7482011Assets 2012: $56,516Liabilities 2012: $4,3532012Assets 2013: $49,361Liabilities 2013: $5,5912013Assets 2014: $56,582Liabilities 2014: $7,5512014Assets 2015: $54,090Liabilities 2015: $6,5832015Assets 2016: $86,184Liabilities 2016: $11,4242016Assets 2017: $75,822Liabilities 2017: $7,4072017Assets 2018: $74,288Liabilities 2018: $7,1852018Assets 2019: $81,955Liabilities 2019: $21,9432019Assets 2020: $125,375Liabilities 2020: $7,4722020Assets 2021: $155,101Liabilities 2021: $7,503Net Assets 2021: $147,5982021Assets 2022: $153,450Liabilities 2022: $8,881Net Assets 2022: $144,5692022Assets 2023: $149,486Liabilities 2023: $30,454Net Assets 2023: $119,0322023Assets 2024: $130,193Liabilities 2024: $15,485Net Assets 2024: $114,7082024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$130,193
Liabilities$15,485
Net Assets$114,708

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2011: $92,154Expenses 2011: $97,272Net Income 2011: -$5,1182011Revenue 2012: $92,529Expenses 2012: $96,240Net Income 2012: -$3,7112012Revenue 2013: $98,219Expenses 2013: $105,774Net Income 2013: -$7,5552013Revenue 2014: $109,559Expenses 2014: $102,338Net Income 2014: $7,2212014Revenue 2015: $129,555Expenses 2015: $132,102Net Income 2015: -$2,5472015Revenue 2016: $144,099Expenses 2016: $112,004Net Income 2016: $32,0952016Revenue 2017: $121,845Expenses 2017: $132,202Net Income 2017: -$10,3572017Revenue 2018: $129,725Expenses 2018: $131,798Net Income 2018: -$2,0732018Revenue 2019: $147,931Expenses 2019: $140,265Net Income 2019: $7,6662019Revenue 2020: $149,728Expenses 2020: $106,308Net Income 2020: $43,4202020Revenue 2021: $127,366Expenses 2021: $97,639Net Income 2021: $29,7272021Revenue 2022: $138,394Expenses 2022: $140,044Net Income 2022: -$1,6502022Revenue 2023: $152,074Expenses 2023: $157,303Net Income 2023: -$5,2292023Revenue 2024: $158,904Expenses 2024: $178,197Net Income 2024: -$19,2932024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$158,904
Expenses$178,197
Net Income-$19,293

Filings

Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.30$0.15$1.15$1.59$1.78$0.19
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.49$0.30$1.19$1.52$1.57$0.05
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.53$0.09$1.45$1.38$1.40$0.02
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.55$0.08$1.48$1.27$0.98$0.30
2020Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$1.25$0.07$1.50$1.06$0.43
2019Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.82$0.22$1.48$1.40$0.08
2018Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.74$0.07$1.30$1.32$0.02
2017Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.76$0.07$1.22$1.32$0.10
2016Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.86$0.11$1.44$1.12$0.32
2015Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.54$0.07$1.30$1.32$0.03
2014Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.57$0.08$1.10$1.02$0.07
2013Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.49$0.06$0.98$1.06$0.08
2012Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.57$0.04$0.93$0.96$0.04
2011Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.60$0.06$0.92$0.97$0.05
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Mar 11, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.0
Gross Receipts
$158,904
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Labor organization

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
Collective bargaining and representation for 113 members--
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
JOEL D BENEFIELDRecording Secretary-$5,448-$5,448
Michael L LaceyVice President-$5,305-$5,305
Jesse D RamirezPresident-$3,375-$3,375
Tony D RoseboroughPresident-$3,302-$3,302
Corey A JohnsonFinancial Secretary-$1,318-$1,318
Brandon M LoveSergeant At Arms-$601-$601
Hilda G ArteagaTrustee-$298-$298
Sarah S SalazarTrustee-$298-$298
Michael J CollinsTrustee-$286-$286
Daniel A FelipeGuide-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
International Union UAW LOCAL 230
EIN
95-1562048
Phone
9099754751
Address
5141 SANTA ANA STREET, ONTARIO, CA 91761-8619

Signing Officer

Name
Corey Johnson
Title
Financial Secretary
Signed
2025-03-11
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 8

Rebate from International Strike Fund $1,886.91 | Refund - Lost Time $2,518.84 | REFUND TRAVEL DIRECT PAID $1,575.92 | Strike Expense Reimbursement $3,685.95

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 16

Other Expenses: $138,551.51

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 16

Officer- Non-Tax Travel Per Diem Etc. $3,270.60 | Others- Non-Tax Travel Per Diem Etc $4,396.80 | Postage Reimbursement $133.26 | Refreshments Reimbursement $1,564.80 | Supply Reimbursement $160.72 | Refund Dues - Regular $134.35 | Bank Charges - Svc Fees NSF etc $72.00 | Per Capita Taxes - International $97,116.22 | Per Capita Taxes - CAP $1,942.56 | Per Capita Taxes - PAC $1,942.56 | Registration/Conference/Tuition Fees $2,925.00 | Soc & Rec Events-Picnic $239.31 | Technical and Support Fees $2,205.00 | Travel-Direct Pd Airline Hotel Tr Agency $22,448.33

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 20

Total other changes: $14,969

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 20

Fixed assets $0; Inventories $0; Liabilities $14,969; Voided checks from a previous year $0

Form 990-EZ, Part II, Line 24

$690 6 Bibles at $65.00 and 300 Pins at $1.00

Form 990-EZ, Part II, Line 26

Federal Income Taxes (941) Forward $1027.41 State Income Taxes Forward $172.99 Unemployment Taxes Federal (940) $534.25 Per Capita Taxes International $13485.57 Per Capita Taxes CAP $132.15 Per Capita Taxes PAC $132.15

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