Liabilities / Assets
60th percentile
Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.
Southern Oregon Runners Running Club Inc
EIN 93-0835095 • 501(c)3 • Medford, OR
Profile
Promotion of fitness through running
Siviq Scores
Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.
0.00x
Liabilities / Revenue
62nd percentile
Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.
Net Margin
22nd percentile
Higher net margin than 22% of similar nonprofits.
Top Officer Pay
81st percentile
Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.
Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.
Asset Growth
32nd percentile
Faster asset growth than 32% of similar nonprofits.
Revenue Growth
60th percentile
Faster revenue growth than 60% of similar nonprofits.
Balance Sheet
Assets
Down$61,800
Down $15,379 (-20%) from 2023
Liabilities
Flat$0
Flat from 2023
Net Assets
Down$61,800
Down $15,379 (-20%) from 2023
Revenue
Up$69,718
Up $4,082 (+6.2%) from 2023
Expenses
Up$85,097
Up $17,043 (+25%) from 2023
Net Income
Down-$15,379
Down $12,961 (-536%) from 2023
Trend Graphs
Filings
Most recent year
2024 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.
- Assets
- $61,800
- Liabilities
- $0
- Net assets
- $61,800
- Revenue
- $69,718
- Expenses
- $85,097
- Net income
- -$15,379
Latest Filing Detail
Jump To
Filing Snapshot
- Filing Period
- Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
- Signed
- May 20, 2025
- Return Version
- 2024v5.1
- Gross Receipts
- $69,718
Mission and Program Overview
Mission
Promotion of fitness through running
Program Services
| Description | Grants | Expenses |
|---|---|---|
| VARIOUS RUNNING EVENTS GENERATING FUNDS FOR LOCAL SCHOOL SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS | $0 | $62,483 |
Compensation and Service Providers
Employees
| Name | Title | Full / Part Time | Base | Other | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AMBER JACOBSON | President | - | $0 | - | - |
| DAVE MONROE | Vice President | - | $0 | - | - |
| MIKE DAVIS | Treasurer | - | $0 | - | - |
| TYLER DAVIS | Chairman | - | $0 | - | - |
Filing and Contact Details
Filer
- Filer Name
- Southern Oregon Runners Running Club Inc
- EIN
- 93-0835095
- Phone
- 5412929253
- Address
- PO BOX 665, MEDFORD, OR 97501
Signing Officer
- Name
- Amber Jacobson
- Title
- President
- Phone
- 5412616506
- Signed
- 2025-05-20
- Discuss with paid preparer
- Yes
Preparer
- Firm
- Sorren Inc
- Address
- 841 OHARE PARKWAY STE 200, MEDFORD, OR 97504
- Preparer
- Macy J Smetzler CPA
- Phone
- 5417736633
Supplemental Narrative
Additional Explanations
Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 8 - Other Revenue
“Description: interest earned. Amount: 26.”
Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses
“Description: advertising & promotion. Amount: 192. Description: insurance. Amount: 3,430. Description: race expenses. Amount: 53,033. Description: kid program expenses. Amount: 820. Description: bank fees. Amount: 95. Description: donations. Amount: 8,439. Description: dues & subscriptions. Amount: 1,144. Description: storage expense. Amount: 3,826. Description: overhead. Amount: 10,231. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 81,210.”
Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24 - Other Assets
“Description: prepaid expenses and deferred charges. Beg. Of year amount: 205. End of year amount: 205. Description: accounts receivable. Beg. Of year amount: 0. End of year amount: 1,920.”
Raw XML Appendix176 raw XML fields
This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.
| Path | # | Value |
|---|---|---|
| IRS990EZ/ActivitiesNotPreviouslyRptInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/BusinessName/BusinessNameLine1Txt | 0 | AMBER JACOBSON |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/PhoneNum | 0 | 5412929253 |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/AddressLine1Txt | 0 | PO BOX 665 |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/CityNm | 0 | MEDFORD |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/StateAbbreviationCd | 0 | OR |
| IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/ZIPCd | 0 | 97501 |
| IRS990EZ/CashSavingsAndInvestmentsGrp/BOYAmt | 0 | 76974 |
| IRS990EZ/CashSavingsAndInvestmentsGrp/EOYAmt | 0 | 59675 |
| IRS990EZ/ChgMadeToOrgnzngDocNotRptInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/ContributionsGiftsGrantsEtcAmt | 0 | 3650 |
| IRS990EZ/DirectIndirectPltclExpendAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/DonorAdvisedFndsInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/EngagedInExcessBenefitTransInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/ExcessOrDeficitForYearAmt | 0 | -15379 |
| IRS990EZ/FeesAndOtherPymtToIndCntrctAmt | 0 | 3860 |
| IRS990EZ/FiledScheduleAInd | 0 | 1 |
| IRS990EZ/ForeignFinancialAccountInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/ForeignOfficeInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/Form990TotalAssetsGrp/BOYAmt | 0 | 77179 |
| IRS990EZ/Form990TotalAssetsGrp/EOYAmt | 0 | 61800 |
| IRS990EZ/GrossReceiptsAmt | 0 | 69718 |
| IRS990EZ/InfoInScheduleOPartIIInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/InfoInScheduleOPartIInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/InfoInScheduleOPartVInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/LobbyingActivitiesInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/MadeLoansToFromOfficersInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/MembershipDuesAmt | 0 | 2493 |
| IRS990EZ/MethodOfAccountingCashInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesBOYAmt | 0 | 77179 |
| IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesEOYAmt | 0 | 61800 |
| IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesGrp/BOYAmt | 0 | 77179 |
| IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesGrp/EOYAmt | 0 | 61800 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt | 0 | 4.00 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt | 1 | 4.00 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt | 2 | 4.00 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt | 3 | 1.00 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt | 1 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt | 2 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt | 3 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt | 1 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt | 2 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt | 3 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt | 1 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt | 2 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt | 3 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm | 0 | AMBER JACOBSON |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm | 1 | DAVE MONROE |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm | 2 | MIKE DAVIS |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm | 3 | TYLER DAVIS |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt | 0 | PRESIDENT |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt | 1 | VICE PRESIDENT |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt | 2 | TREASURER |
| IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt | 3 | CHAIRMAN |
| IRS990EZ/OperateHospitalInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/Organization501c3Ind | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/OrganizationDissolvedEtcInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OrganizationHadUBIInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OtherAssetsTotalDetail/BOYAmt | 0 | 205 |
| IRS990EZ/OtherAssetsTotalDetail/EOYAmt | 0 | 2125 |
| IRS990EZ/OtherChangesInNetAssetsAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/OtherExpensesTotalAmt | 0 | 81210 |
| IRS990EZ/OtherRevenueTotalAmt | 0 | 26 |
| IRS990EZ/PartVIHghstPdCntrctProfSrvcTxt | 0 | NONE |
| IRS990EZ/PartVIOfCompOfHghstPdEmplTxt | 0 | NONE |
| IRS990EZ/PoliticalCampaignActyInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/PrimaryExemptPurposeTxt | 0 | PROMOTION OF FITNESS THROUGH RUNNING |
| IRS990EZ/PrintingPublicationsPostageAmt | 0 | 27 |
| IRS990EZ/ProgramServiceRevenueAmt | 0 | 63549 |
| IRS990EZ/ProgramSrvcAccomplishmentGrp/DescriptionProgramSrvcAccomTxt | 0 | VARIOUS RUNNING EVENTS GENERATING FUNDS FOR LOCAL SCHOOL SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS |
| IRS990EZ/ProgramSrvcAccomplishmentGrp/GrantsAndAllocationsAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/ProgramSrvcAccomplishmentGrp/ProgramServiceExpensesAmt | 0 | 62483 |
| IRS990EZ/ProhibitedTaxShelterTransInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/RelatedOrganizationCtrlEntInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/ScheduleBNotRequiredInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/SchoolOperatingInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/StatesWhereCopyOfReturnIsFldCd | 0 | OR |
| IRS990EZ/SubjectToProxyTaxInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/SumOfTotalLiabilitiesGrp/BOYAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/SumOfTotalLiabilitiesGrp/EOYAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TanningServicesProvidedInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TaxImposedOnOrganizationMgrAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4911Amt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4912Amt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4955Amt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TaxReimbursedByOrganizationAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TotalExpensesAmt | 0 | 85097 |
| IRS990EZ/TotalProgramServiceExpensesAmt | 0 | 62483 |
| IRS990EZ/TotalRevenueAmt | 0 | 69718 |
| IRS990EZ/TrnsfrExmptNonChrtblRltdOrgInd | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990EZ/TypeOfOrganizationAssocInd | 0 | X |
| IRS990EZ/WebsiteAddressTxt | 0 | WWW.SORUNNERS.ORG |
| IRS990ScheduleA/AmountsRcvdDsqlfyPersonGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 6143 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 12171 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 6609 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 10277 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 7459 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/TotalAmt | 0 | 42659 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 26 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 9 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 9 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 5 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 7 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossInvestmentIncome509Grp/TotalAmt | 0 | 56 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 63549 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 53456 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 54573 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 20684 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 18147 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/GrossReceiptsAdmissionsGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 210409 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 26 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 9 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 9 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 5 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 7 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 56 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeCYPct | 0 | 0.00020 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomePYPct | 0 | 0.00020 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/PubliclySupportedOrg509a2Ind | 0 | X |
| IRS990ScheduleA/PublicSupportCY509Pct | 0 | 0.99980 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/PublicSupportPY509Pct | 0 | 0.99980 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/PublicSupportTotal509Amt | 0 | 253068 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/SubstAndDsqlfyPrsnsTotGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/SubstantialContributorsAmtGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 0 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/ThirtyThrPctSuprtTestsCY509Ind | 0 | X |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 69692 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 65627 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 61182 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 30961 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 25606 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/TotalAmt | 0 | 253068 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearAmt | 0 | 69718 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt | 0 | 65636 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt | 0 | 61191 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt | 0 | 30966 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt | 0 | 25613 |
| IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/TotalAmt | 0 | 253124 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 0 | DESCRIPTION: INTEREST EARNED. AMOUNT: 26. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 1 | DESCRIPTION: ADVERTISING & PROMOTION. AMOUNT: 192. DESCRIPTION: INSURANCE. AMOUNT: 3,430. DESCRIPTION: RACE EXPENSES. AMOUNT: 53,033. DESCRIPTION: KID PROGRAM EXPENSES. AMOUNT: 820. DESCRIPTION: BANK FEES. AMOUNT: 95. DESCRIPTION: DONATIONS. AMOUNT: 8,439. DESCRIPTION: DUES & SUBSCRIPTIONS. AMOUNT: 1,144. DESCRIPTION: STORAGE EXPENSE. AMOUNT: 3,826. DESCRIPTION: OVERHEAD. AMOUNT: 10,231. TOTAL TO FORM 990-EZ, LINE 16: 81,210. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 2 | DESCRIPTION: PREPAID EXPENSES AND DEFERRED CHARGES. BEG. OF YEAR AMOUNT: 205. END OF YEAR AMOUNT: 205. DESCRIPTION: ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. BEG. OF YEAR AMOUNT: 0. END OF YEAR AMOUNT: 1,920. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 0 | FORM 990-EZ, PART I, LINE 8 - OTHER REVENUE |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 1 | FORM 990-EZ, PART I, LINE 16 - OTHER EXPENSES |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 2 | FORM 990-EZ, PART II, LINE 24 - OTHER ASSETS |
| TransferPrsnlBnftContractsDecl/DeclarationDesc | 0 | THE ORGANIZATION DID NOT, DURING THE YEAR, RECEIVE ANY FUNDS, DIRECTLY,OR INDIRECTLY, TO PAY PREMIUMS ON A PERSONAL BENEFIT CONTRACT.THE ORGANIZATION, DID NOT, DURING THE YEAR, PAY ANY PREMIUMS, DIRECTLY,OR INDIRECTLY, ON A PERSONAL BENEFIT CONTRACT. |
| ReturnHeader/BuildTS | 0 | 2025-03-06 01:10:19Z |
| ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/DiscussWithPaidPreparerInd | 0 | 1 |
| ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PersonNm | 0 | AMBER JACOBSON |
| ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PersonTitleTxt | 0 | PRESIDENT |
| ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PhoneNum | 0 | 5412616506 |
| ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/SignatureDt | 0 | 2025-05-20 |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/BusinessName/BusinessNameLine1Txt | 0 | SOUTHERN OREGON RUNNERS RUNNING CLUB INC |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/BusinessNameControlTxt | 0 | SOUT |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/EIN | 0 | 930835095 |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/PhoneNum | 0 | 5412929253 |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/AddressLine1Txt | 0 | PO BOX 665 |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/CityNm | 0 | MEDFORD |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/StateAbbreviationCd | 0 | OR |
| ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/ZIPCd | 0 | 97501 |
| ReturnHeader/IRSResponsiblePrtyInfoCurrInd | 0 | 1 |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerFirmEIN | 0 | 934792291 |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerFirmName/BusinessNameLine1Txt | 0 | SORREN INC |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/AddressLine1Txt | 0 | 841 OHARE PARKWAY STE 200 |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/CityNm | 0 | MEDFORD |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/StateAbbreviationCd | 0 | OR |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/ZIPCd | 0 | 97504 |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerPersonGrp/PhoneNum | 0 | 5417736633 |
| ReturnHeader/PreparerPersonGrp/PreparerPersonNm | 0 | MACY J SMETZLER CPA |
| ReturnHeader/ReturnTs | 0 | 2025-05-22T00:28:18-05:00 |
| ReturnHeader/ReturnTypeCd | 0 | 990EZ |
| ReturnHeader/TaxPeriodBeginDt | 0 | 2024-01-01 |
| ReturnHeader/TaxPeriodEndDt | 0 | 2024-12-31 |
| ReturnHeader/TaxYr | 0 | 2024 |
Document Assets
No mirrored PDF or thumbnail assets are attached yet.