Civic Intelligence

Guitars Not Guns Inc

EIN 91-2069334 • 501(c)3 • Milliken, CO

Profile

Provide guitars and lessons to foster kids, at risk youth and other deserving children in a classroom setting with qualified teachers in an effort to stop violence in the children.

P O Box 494Milliken, CO 80543

www.guitarsnotguns.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Net Margin

19th percentile

-30%

Higher net margin than 19% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

97th percentile

344%

Faster asset growth than 97% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

66th percentile

12%

Faster revenue growth than 66% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / AssetsScore unavailable

Assets

Up

$214,456

Up $166,166 (+344%) from 2023

Liabilities

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Assets

Up

$214,456

Up $166,166 (+344%) from 2023

Operations
Liabilities / RevenueScore unavailableNet Margin19th percentile

Revenue

Up

$105,533

Up $11,549 (+12%) from 2023

Expenses

Up

$136,764

Up $56,796 (+71%) from 2023

Net Income

Down

-$31,231

Down $45,247 (-323%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth97th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$300K$200K$100K$0Assets 2010: $126,752Liabilities 2010: $95Net Assets 2010: $126,6572010Assets 2011: $99,610Liabilities 2011: $95Net Assets 2011: $99,5152011Assets 2012: $121,994Liabilities 2012: $0Net Assets 2012: $121,9942012Assets 2013: $126,694Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $126,6942013Assets 2014: $128,487Liabilities 2014: $0Net Assets 2014: $128,4872014Assets 2015: $118,825Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $118,8252015Assets 2016: $19,247Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $19,2472016Assets 2017: $26,736Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $26,7362017Assets 2018: $40,613Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $40,6132018Assets 2019: $40,720Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $40,7202019Assets 2020: $29,140Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $29,1402020Assets 2021: $49,226Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $49,2262021Assets 2022: $34,274Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $34,2742022Assets 2023: $48,290Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $48,2902023Assets 2024: $214,456Net Assets 2024: $214,4562024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$214,456
Liabilities-
Net Assets$214,456
Open 2024 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth66th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KExpenses 2010: $67,1082010Expenses 2011: $73,7402011Expenses 2012: $41,2972012Revenue 2013: $59,537Expenses 2013: $54,837Net Income 2013: $4,7002013Revenue 2014: $71,000Expenses 2014: $69,207Net Income 2014: $1,7932014Revenue 2015: $139,899Expenses 2015: $149,561Net Income 2015: -$9,6622015Revenue 2016: $131,295Expenses 2016: $112,048Net Income 2016: $19,2472016Revenue 2017: $65,585Expenses 2017: $58,096Net Income 2017: $7,4892017Revenue 2018: $87,692Expenses 2018: $73,815Net Income 2018: $13,8772018Revenue 2019: $62,897Expenses 2019: $62,790Net Income 2019: $1072019Revenue 2020: $29,717Expenses 2020: $41,297Net Income 2020: -$11,5802020Revenue 2021: $114,549Expenses 2021: $94,463Net Income 2021: $20,0862021Revenue 2022: $89,855Expenses 2022: $55,581Net Income 2022: $34,2742022Revenue 2023: $93,984Expenses 2023: $79,968Net Income 2023: $14,0162023Revenue 2024: $105,533Expenses 2024: $136,764Net Income 2024: -$31,2312024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$105,533
Expenses$136,764
Net Income-$31,231
Open 2024 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2024 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$214,456
Liabilities
-
Net assets
$214,456
Revenue
$105,533
Expenses
$136,764
Net income
-$31,231
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.14$2.14$1.06$1.37$0.31
2023XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.48$0.00$0.48$0.94$0.80$0.14
2022XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.34$0.00$0.34$0.90$0.56$0.34
2021Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.49$0.00$0.49$1.15$0.94$0.20
2020XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.29$0.00$0.29$0.30$0.41$0.12
2019XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.41$0.00$0.41$0.63$0.63$0.00
2018XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.41$0.00$0.41$0.88$0.74$0.14
2017XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.27$0.00$0.27$0.66$0.58$0.07
2016Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.19$0.00$0.19$1.31$1.12$0.19
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.19$0.00$1.19$1.40$1.50$0.10
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.28$0.00$1.28$0.71$0.69$0.02
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.27$0.00$1.27$0.60$0.55$0.05
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.22$0.00$1.22$0.41
2011Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.00$0.00$1.00$0.74
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.27$0.00$1.27$0.67
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Jan 22, 2026
Return Version
2024v5.2
Gross Receipts
$105,533
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Provide guitars and lessons to foster kids, at risk youth and other deserving children in a classroom setting with qualified teachers in an effort to stop violence in the children.

Provide guitars and lessons to foster kids, at risk youth and other deserving children in a classroom setting with qualified teachersin an effort to stop violence in the children

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
PROVIDE GUITARS ANDF LESSONS TO FOSTER KIDS, AT RISK YOUTH AND OTHER DESERVING CHILDREN IN A CLASSROOM SETTING WITH QUALIFIED TAECHERS IN AN EFFORT TO STOPR VIOLENCE IN THE CHILDREN.--
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
STEVE VAGNINIPresidentFT$0--
DONNA HAMMONDVice PresidentPT$0--
BARBARA GORINVice PresidentPT$0--
RICHARD SALAZARSecretaryPT$0--
LOUISE NELSONTreasurerFT$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Guitars Not Guns Inc
EIN
91-2069334
Phone
7708612442
Address
P O BOX 494, MILLIKEN, CO 80543

Signing Officer

Name
Louise Nelson
Title
Treasurer
Signed
2026-01-22
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Dennis L Oberhelman CPA
Address
2015 Clubhouse Dr Ste LL04, Greeley, CO 80634
Preparer
Dennis L Oberhelman
Phone
9705069431
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Other Expenses.1001

“Advertising and Promotion $8127”

Other Expenses.1002

“Office Expenses $2788”

Other Expenses.1005

“Travel $7090”

Other Expenses.1012

“Insurance $11719”

Other Expenses.1

“Guitars and accessories $72898”

Other Expenses.2

“TAXES OTHER $5547”

Other Expenses.3

“FUNDRAISING $5074”

Other Expenses.4

“GUITARS $3133”

Other Expenses.5

“TRAINING $2918”

Other Expenses.7

“Grants to other organizations $1450”

Other Expenses.8

“TELEPHONE $946”

Other Expenses.9

“MISCELLANEOUS $809”

Other Assets.1

“TOTAL ASSETS - Beginning $48290 TOTAL ASSETS - Ending $0”

Raw XML Appendix165 raw XML fields

This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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