Civic Intelligence

Skagit Runners

EIN 91-1185958 • 501(c)4 • Burlington, WA

Profile

Promote good health and fun through running activities

PO Box 120Burlington, WA 98233

www.skagitrunners.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Net Margin

29th percentile

-12%

Higher net margin than 29% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Top Officer Pay

89th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 89% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Asset Growth

43rd percentile

-5.3%

Faster asset growth than 43% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2020 to 2021

Revenue Growth

93rd percentile

87%

Faster revenue growth than 93% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)4 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2020 to 2021

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets59th percentile

Assets

Down

$44,867

Down $2,529 (-5.3%) from 2020

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2020

Net Assets

Down

$44,867

Down $2,529 (-5.3%) from 2020

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue61st percentileNet Margin29th percentile

Revenue

Up

$21,928

Up $10,173 (+87%) from 2020

Expenses

Up

$24,457

Up $110 (+0.5%) from 2020

Net Income

Up

-$2,529

Up $10,063 (+80%) from 2020

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth43rd percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$80K$60K$40K$20K$0Assets 2011: $47,418Net Assets 2011: $47,4182011Assets 2012: $27,529Net Assets 2012: $27,5292012Assets 2013: $27,110Liabilities 2013: $02013Assets 2014: $34,040Net Assets 2014: $34,0402014Assets 2015: $34,924Liabilities 2015: $02015Assets 2016: $48,311Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $48,3112016Assets 2017: $61,164Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $61,1642017Assets 2018: $65,386Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $65,3862018Assets 2019: $59,988Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $59,9882019Assets 2020: $47,396Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $47,3962020Assets 2021: $44,867Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $44,8672021

Highlighted filing

2021

Assets$44,867
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$44,867
Open 2021 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth93rd percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2011: $17,697Expenses 2011: $7,591Net Income 2011: $10,1062011Revenue 2012: -$2,091Expenses 2012: $17,798Net Income 2012: -$19,8892012Revenue 2013: $23,992Expenses 2013: $22,411Net Income 2013: $1,5812013Revenue 2014: $25,324Expenses 2014: $16,494Net Income 2014: $8,8302014Revenue 2015: $21,396Expenses 2015: $17,804Net Income 2015: $3,5922015Revenue 2016: $77,487Expenses 2016: $64,100Net Income 2016: $13,3872016Revenue 2017: $70,699Expenses 2017: $57,846Net Income 2017: $12,8532017Revenue 2018: $67,152Expenses 2018: $62,930Net Income 2018: $4,2222018Revenue 2019: $43,587Expenses 2019: $48,985Net Income 2019: -$5,3982019Revenue 2020: $11,755Expenses 2020: $24,347Net Income 2020: -$12,5922020Revenue 2021: $21,928Expenses 2021: $24,457Net Income 2021: -$2,5292021

Highlighted filing

2021

Revenue$21,928
Expenses$24,457
Net Income-$2,529
Open 2021 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2021 • Form 990EZXML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.

Open filing
Assets
$44,867
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$44,867
Revenue
$21,928
Expenses
$24,457
Net income
-$2,529
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2021XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$44.9$0.00$44.9$21.9$24.5$2.53
2020XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$47.4$0.00$47.4$11.8$24.3$12.6
2019XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$60.0$0.00$60.0$43.6$49.0$5.40
2018XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$65.4$0.00$65.4$67.2$62.9$4.22
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$61.2$0.00$61.2$70.7$57.8$12.9
2016XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$48.3$0.00$48.3$77.5$64.1$13.4
2015Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$34.9$0.00$21.4$17.8$3.59
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$34.0$34.0$25.3$16.5$8.83
2013Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$27.1$0.00$24.0$22.4$1.58
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$27.5$27.5$2.09$17.8$19.9
2011Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$47.4$47.4$17.7$7.59$10.1
Latest Detailed Filing

The latest 2021 filing currently has linked XML that has not been fully parsed yet. Showing the latest detailed filing from 2017 below.

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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2017 to Dec 31, 2017
Signed
Sep 12, 2018
Return Version
2017v2.3
Gross Receipts
$70,699
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Promote good health and fun through running activities

Promote good health and fun through running activities.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
WE ORGANIZED AND HOSTED 6 RACES FOR 1,699 INDIVIDUALS DURING THE YEAR WITHIN WHATCOM AND SKAGIT COUNTIES.$0$49,246
WE DISTRIBUTED 6 SCHOLARSHIPS, $1,000 TO $2,500 EACH, TO GRADUATING SENIORS FROM SKAGIT COUNTY HIGH SCHOOLS.$9,000$9,000
WE DISTRIBUTED 3 GRANTS, $500 TO $1,000 EACH, TO SKAGIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT RUNNING ACTIVITIES.$2,000$2,000
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay89th percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
MIKE LUMPKINPresident (January-October)-$0--
DELORES SENTINELLAPresident (October-December)-$0--
HEATHER ROMANOVice President-$0--
WENDY WALLSecretary-$0--
KIM BETZTreasurer-$0--
TERRY SENTINELLATrustee-$0--
KEVIN DOUGLASTrustee-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Skagit Runners
EIN
91-1185958
Phone
3609822934
Address
PO BOX 120, BURLINGTON, WA 98233

Signing Officer

Name
Kim Betz
Title
Treasurer
Phone
3609822934
Signed
2018-09-12
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Larson Gross Pllc
Address
2211 RIMLAND DR STE 422, BELLINGHAM, WA 98226
Preparer
Keaton Wersen-cpa
Phone
3607344280
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 4 - Other Investment Income

“Description: bank account interest. Amount: 35.”

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 14

“Description: depreciation. Amount: 592. Description: other expenses. Amount: 2,887. Total to form 990-ez, line 14: 3,479.”

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

“Description: race costs. Amount: 37,610. Description: miscellaneous expense. Amount: 2,845. Description: insurance expense. Amount: 1,320. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 41,775.”

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24 - Other Assets

“Description: other depreciable assets. Beg. Of year amount: 0. End of year amount: 3,552.”

Raw XML Appendix158 raw XML fields

This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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