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Ces Best

EIN 84-3220177 • Cimarron, KS

PO Box 489Cimarron, KS 67835
Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

64th percentile

0.00x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 64% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Liabilities / Revenue

66th percentile

0.00x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 66% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Net Margin

87th percentile

42%

Higher net margin than 87% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

<$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Asset Growth

85th percentile

36%

Faster asset growth than 85% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2021 to 2022

Revenue Growth

29th percentile

-25%

Faster revenue growth than 29% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2021 to 2022

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets64th percentile

Assets

Up

$25,207

Up $6,684 (+36%) from 2021

Liabilities

Flat

$1

Flat from 2021

Net Assets

Up

$25,207

Up $6,684 (+36%) from 2021

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue66th percentileNet Margin87th percentile

Revenue

Down

$17,868

Down $6,077 (-25%) from 2021

Expenses

Up

$10,307

Up $517 (+5.3%) from 2021

Net Income

Down

$7,561

Down $6,594 (-47%) from 2021

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth85th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$30K$20K$10K$0Assets 2019: $6,422Liabilities 2019: $02019Assets 2020: $4,368Liabilities 2020: $1Net Assets 2020: $4,3682020Assets 2021: $18,523Liabilities 2021: $1Net Assets 2021: $18,5232021Assets 2022: $25,207Liabilities 2022: $1Net Assets 2022: $25,2072022

Highlighted filing

2022

Assets$25,207
Liabilities$1
Net Assets$25,207
Open 2022 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth29th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$30K$20K$10K$0-$10KRevenue 2019: $21,811Expenses 2019: $15,388Net Income 2019: $6,4232019Revenue 2020: $7,567Expenses 2020: $9,621Net Income 2020: -$2,0542020Revenue 2021: $23,945Expenses 2021: $9,790Net Income 2021: $14,1552021Revenue 2022: $17,868Expenses 2022: $10,307Net Income 2022: $7,5612022

Highlighted filing

2022

Revenue$17,868
Expenses$10,307
Net Income$7,561
Open 2022 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2022 • Form 990PFXML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.

Open filing
Assets
$25,207
Liabilities
$1
Net assets
$25,207
Revenue
$17,868
Expenses
$10,307
Net income
$7,561
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2022XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$25.2$0.00$25.2$17.9$10.3$7.56
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$18.5$0.00$18.5$23.9$9.79$14.2
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$4.37$0.00$4.37$7.57$9.62$2.05
2019Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$6.42$0.00$21.8$15.4$6.42
Latest Detailed Filing

The latest 2022 filing currently has linked XML that has not been fully parsed yet. Showing the latest detailed filing from 2021 below.

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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2021 to Dec 31, 2021
Signed
Feb 23, 2022
Return Version
2021v4.1
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
WINTER KOPPERDirector-$0--
Grants and Assistance

Foundation Grants and Related Investments

TypeRecipientPurposeStatusLocationAmount
Paid GrantCIMARRON ELEMENTARY SCHOOLASSIST TEACHERS AND STUDENTSGOVCIMARRON, KS, US$9,790
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Ces Best
EIN
84-3220177
In Care Of
% KARA GOAD
Phone
6208553343
Address
PO BOX 489, CIMARRON, KS 67835

Signing Officer

Name
Kara Goad
Title
CPA
Phone
6208553343
Signed
2022-02-23
Raw XML Appendix190 raw XML fields

This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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