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Yt and Sarah Wang Foundation Inc

EIN 84-2533856 • Brooklyn, NY

291 Union St Apt 3CBrooklyn, NY 11231
Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Net Margin

Score unavailable

No value available

Net margin requires both revenue and expenses on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

12th percentile

-100%

Faster asset growth than 12% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

Score unavailable

No value available

A valid growth rate could not be computed from the available filing history.

Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / AssetsScore unavailable

Assets

Down

$0

Down $3,395 (-100%) from 2023

Liabilities

Down

$0

Down $6,105 (-100%) from 2023

Net Assets

Up

$0

Up $2,710 (+100%) from 2023

Operations
Liabilities / RevenueScore unavailableNet MarginScore unavailable

Revenue

Flat

$0

Flat from 2023

Expenses

Flat

$1,000

Flat from 2023

Net Income

Flat

-$1,000

Flat from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth12th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$10K$5.0K$0-$5.0KAssets 2019: $1,500Liabilities 2019: $4,035Net Assets 2019: -$2,5352019Assets 2020: $4,645Liabilities 2020: $4,045Net Assets 2020: $6002020Assets 2021: $3,835Liabilities 2021: $4,045Net Assets 2021: -$2102021Assets 2022: $2,335Liabilities 2022: $4,045Net Assets 2022: -$1,7102022Assets 2023: $3,395Liabilities 2023: $6,105Net Assets 2023: -$2,7102023Assets 2024: $0Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $02024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$0
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$0
Open 2024 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue GrowthScore unavailable

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$60K$40K$20K$0-$20KRevenue 2019: $2,000Expenses 2019: $4,535Net Income 2019: -$2,5352019Revenue 2020: $45,000Expenses 2020: $41,865Net Income 2020: $3,1352020Revenue 2021: $0Expenses 2021: $810Net Income 2021: -$8102021Revenue 2022: $0Expenses 2022: $1,500Net Income 2022: -$1,5002022Revenue 2023: $0Expenses 2023: $1,000Net Income 2023: -$1,0002023Revenue 2024: $0Expenses 2024: $1,000Net Income 2024: -$1,0002024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$0
Expenses$1,000
Net Income-$1,000
Open 2024 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2024 • Form 990PFDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$0
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$0
Revenue
$0
Expenses
$1,000
Net income
-$1,000
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.00$0.00$0.00$0.00$1.00$1.00
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$3.40$6.11$2.71$0.00$1.00$1.00
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.34$4.05$1.71$0.00$1.50$1.50
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$3.84$4.05$0.21$0.00$0.81$0.81
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$4.65$4.05$0.60$45.0$41.9$3.14
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.50$4.04$2.54$2.00$4.54$2.54
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
May 14, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.1
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
Elaine Lin KowPresident-$0--
Ian KowSecretary-$0--
Vicky Yi-Chun LinSecretary-$0--
Michelle WuSecretary-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
YT and Sarah Wang Foundation Inc
EIN
84-2533856
Phone
6464706887
Address
291 Union St Apt 3C, Brooklyn, NY 11231

Signing Officer

Name
Elaine Lin Kow
Title
President
Signed
2025-05-14
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Rhymer CPA PC
Address
271 Fort Lee Rd Ste 6, Leonia, NJ 07605
Preparer
Yusef Rhymer CPA
Phone
2012925100
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LiquidationExplanationStmt/ExplanationTxt0During the tax year ending December 31, 2024, YT and Sarah Wang Foundation Inc underwent a dissolution due to lack of funding to continue operations. The effective date of the dissolution was 12/31/2024. The only assets, cash, were used to settle debt. There were zero assets distributed.
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