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Gem-Ifk Venture for Educational Support

EIN 82-3112147 • 501(c)3 • Chicago, IL

Profile

To make grants to support public elementary school education in the City of Chicago and engage in related, community supporting activities.

900 N Michigan Avenue 14th FloorChicago, IL 60611

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Net Margin

12th percentile

-62%

Higher net margin than 12% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2021

Top Officer Pay

Score unavailable

No value available

No filing with officer rows is available for this organization yet.

Asset Growth

10th percentile

-94%

Faster asset growth than 10% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2020 to 2021

Revenue Growth

15th percentile

-55%

Faster revenue growth than 15% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2020 to 2021

Assets

Down

$0

Down $2,013 (-100%) from 2021

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2021

Net Assets

Down

$0

Down $2,013 (-100%) from 2021

Revenue

Up

$75,015

Up $41,015 (+121%) from 2021

Expenses

Up

$77,028

Up $22,027 (+40%) from 2021

Net Income

Up

-$2,013

Up $18,988 (+90%) from 2021

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$60K$40K$20K$0Assets 2018: $10,750Liabilities 2018: $575Net Assets 2018: $10,1752018Assets 2019: $47,882Liabilities 2019: $32,244Net Assets 2019: $15,6382019Assets 2020: $31,597Liabilities 2020: $8,583Net Assets 2020: $23,0142020Assets 2021: $2,013Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $2,0132021Assets 2022: $0Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $02022

Highlighted filing

2022

Assets$0
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$0

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2018: $80,300Expenses 2018: $70,125Net Income 2018: $10,1752018Revenue 2019: $79,467Expenses 2019: $74,004Net Income 2019: $5,4632019Revenue 2020: $75,209Expenses 2020: $67,833Net Income 2020: $7,3762020Revenue 2021: $34,000Expenses 2021: $55,001Net Income 2021: -$21,0012021Revenue 2022: $75,015Expenses 2022: $77,028Net Income 2022: -$2,0132022

Highlighted filing

2022

Revenue$75,015
Expenses$77,028
Net Income-$2,013

Filings

Latest Filing Detail
Jump To
Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jul 1, 2021 to Jun 30, 2022
Signed
Nov 3, 2022
Return Version
2021v4.2
Gross Receipts
$75,015
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To make grants to support public elementary school education in the City of Chicago and engage in related, community supporting activities.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
The organization made donations to Erie Elementary Charter School, both directly and in-kind. This school year donations included funding for a new Science curriculum, the addition of a kitchen to the Teachers Lounge, technology supplies, and teacher appreciation and family engagement events.$54,997$54,997
Cradles to Crayons - Cradles to Crayons provides children from birth through Age 12 with the everyday essentials they need to thrive. This specific donation was to provide students-in-need at Erie Elementary Charter School with backpacks filled with supplies and hygiene kits.$5,000$5,000
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
Jennifer EdgcombDirector & PresidentPT$0--
Louis HellebuschDirector, Secretary & VP-$0--
Craig CaffarelliDirector, Treasurer & VP-$0--
Barbara WolfDirector-$0--
Karen EwingAssistant Secretary-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
GEM-IFK Venture for Educational Support
EIN
82-3112147
Phone
3129152402
Address
900 N Michigan Avenue 14th Floor, Chicago, IL 60611

Signing Officer

Name
Jennifer Edgcomb
Title
President
Phone
3129152402
Signed
2022-11-03
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Rsm US Llp
Address
30 S Wacker Drive Ste 3300, Chicago, IL 60606
Preparer
Rebekuh Eley
Phone
3126343400
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 8 - Other Revenue

Description: Returned Outside Services. Amount: 15.

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 10 - Grants and Similar Amounts Paid

Activity Classification: . Grantee Name: Cradles to Crayons. Grantee Address: 4141 W. George Street Chicago, IL 60641. Amount Given: 5,000.

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 10 - Grants and Similar Amounts Paid

Activity Classification: . Grantee Name: Erie Elementary Charter School. Grantee Address: 1405 N. Washtenaw Avenue Chicago, IL 60622. Amount Given: 54,997. Total included on Form 990-EZ, line 10: 59,997.

Form 990-EZ, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

Description: Insurance. Amount: 2,884. Description: Special Events. Amount: 5,003. Description: Professional Fees. Amount: 4,000. Description: Miscellaneous. Amount: 40. Description: Filings, Operational Expenses. Amount: 104. Description: Staff Appreciation. Amount: 5,000. Total to Form 990-EZ, line 16: 17,031.

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