Civic Intelligence

Daviess County Cattleman'S

EIN 81-2589524 • 501(c)3 • Philpot, KY

Profile

Farmer cattlemen assistance

PO Box 129Philpot, KY 42366

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

26th percentile

-15%

Higher net margin than 26% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

84th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Asset Growth

44th percentile

-5.6%

Faster asset growth than 44% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

32nd percentile

-20%

Faster revenue growth than 32% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets59th percentile

Assets

Down

$27,647

Down $7,544 (-21%) from 2024

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2024

Net Assets

Down

$27,647

Down $7,544 (-21%) from 2024

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue61st percentileNet Margin26th percentile

Revenue

Down

$4,270

Down $13,897 (-76%) from 2024

Expenses

Down

$11,814

Down $2,837 (-19%) from 2024

Net Income

Down

-$7,544

Down $11,060 (-315%) from 2024

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth44th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$40K$30K$20K$10K$0Assets 2015: $18,030Liabilities 2015: $02015Assets 2016: $27,198Liabilities 2016: $02016Assets 2017: $27,450Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $27,4502017Assets 2018: $22,113Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $22,1132018Assets 2019: $19,722Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $19,7222019Assets 2020: $29,664Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $29,6642020Assets 2021: $27,288Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $27,2882021Assets 2022: $33,557Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $33,5572022Assets 2023: $31,675Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $31,6752023Assets 2024: $35,191Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $35,1912024Assets 2025: $27,647Liabilities 2025: $0Net Assets 2025: $27,6472025

Highlighted filing

2025

Assets$27,647
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$27,647
Open 2025 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth32nd percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$80K$60K$40K$20K$0-$20KRevenue 2015: $72,014Expenses 2015: $68,768Net Income 2015: $3,2462015Revenue 2016: $48,631Expenses 2016: $39,463Net Income 2016: $9,1682016Revenue 2017: $39,431Expenses 2017: $39,179Net Income 2017: $2522017Revenue 2018: $23,797Expenses 2018: $29,134Net Income 2018: -$5,3372018Revenue 2019: $20,541Expenses 2019: $22,932Net Income 2019: -$2,3912019Revenue 2020: $32,972Expenses 2020: $23,030Net Income 2020: $9,9422020Revenue 2021: $16,939Expenses 2021: $19,315Net Income 2021: -$2,3762021Revenue 2022: $15,414Expenses 2022: $9,145Net Income 2022: $6,2692022Revenue 2023: $12,343Expenses 2023: $14,225Net Income 2023: -$1,8822023Revenue 2024: $18,167Expenses 2024: $14,651Net Income 2024: $3,5162024Revenue 2025: $4,270Expenses 2025: $11,814Net Income 2025: -$7,5442025

Highlighted filing

2025

Revenue$4,270
Expenses$11,814
Net Income-$7,544
Open 2025 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2025 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$27,647
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$27,647
Revenue
$4,270
Expenses
$11,814
Net income
-$7,544
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2025Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$27.6$0.00$27.6$4.27$11.8$7.54
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$35.2$0.00$35.2$18.2$14.7$3.52
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$31.7$0.00$31.7$12.3$14.2$1.88
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$33.6$0.00$33.6$15.4$9.15$6.27
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$27.3$0.00$27.3$16.9$19.3$2.38
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$29.7$0.00$29.7$33.0$23.0$9.94
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$19.7$0.00$19.7$20.5$22.9$2.39
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$22.1$0.00$22.1$23.8$29.1$5.34
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$27.5$0.00$27.5$39.4$39.2$0.25
2016Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$27.2$0.00$48.6$39.5$9.17
2015Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$18.0$0.00$72.0$68.8$3.25
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2025 to Dec 31, 2025
Signed
Mar 20, 2026
Return Version
2025v4.0
Gross Receipts
$18,845
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Farmer cattlemen assistance

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
FEEDER CALF PROJECT$0$1,528
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay84th percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
WAYNE ZOGLMANNPresident-$0--
RICHARD RUSSELBURGVice President-$0--
SUSAN ZOGLMANNSecretary-$0--
JOAN HAYDENTreasurer-$0--
Fundraising, Events, and Gaming

Fundraising Events

EventGross ReceiptsGross RevenueDirect ExpensesNet Income
Cooking$15,280$15,280$14,575$705
Total Events$15,280$15,280$14,575$705
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
DAVIESS COUNTY CATTLEMAN'S
EIN
81-2589524
Phone
2705700858
Address
PO BOX 129, PHILPOT, KY 42366

Signing Officer

Name
Joan Hayden
Title
Treasurer
Phone
2705700858
Signed
2026-03-20
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Morris Accounting
Address
12141 STATE ROUTE 1513, HAWESVILLE, KY 42348-9411
Preparer
Karissa Morris CPA
Phone
2709937916
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 14

“Description: depreciation. Amount: 3,016.”

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

“Description: dues & fees. Amount: 1,040. Description: insurance. Amount: 814. Description: feeder calf project. Amount: 1,528. Description: convention expense. Amount: 1,865. Description: scholarships. Amount: 2,250. Description: meeting expense. Amount: 50. Description: donations. Amount: 750. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 8,297.”

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24 - Other Assets

“Description: other depreciable assets. Beg. Of year amount: 23,422. End of year amount: 20,406.”

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This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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