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El Paso Choral Society

EIN 74-2574650 • 501(c)3 • El Paso, TX

Profile

To foster and promote music, music appreciation, and the appreciation of choral music in the local region by sponsoring and promoting concerts, recitals, choral presentations, musical programs and affairs for the benefit of the community.

4832 CasetaEl Paso, TX 79922

epchoralsociety.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

95th percentile

1.76x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 95% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

98th percentile

4.14x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 98% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

85th percentile

37%

Higher net margin than 85% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Asset Growth

78th percentile

25%

Faster asset growth than 78% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

99th percentile

963%

Faster revenue growth than 99% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Assets

Up

$11,134

Up $2,200 (+25%) from 2022

Liabilities

Up

$19,575

Up $430 (+2.2%) from 2022

Net Assets

Up

-$8,441

Up $1,770 (+17%) from 2022

Revenue

Up

$4,729

Up $4,284 (+963%) from 2022

Expenses

Up

$2,959

Up $922 (+45%) from 2022

Net Income

Up

$1,770

Up $3,362 (+211%) from 2022

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$40K$20K$0-$20KAssets 2012: $5,168Liabilities 2012: $3,8522012Assets 2013: $6,727Liabilities 2013: $3,7162013Assets 2014: $2,340Liabilities 2014: $4,1952014Assets 2015: $1,198Liabilities 2015: $3,5652015Assets 2016: $11,641Liabilities 2016: $02016Assets 2018: $10,267Liabilities 2018: $28,918Net Assets 2018: -$18,6512018Assets 2019: $9,994Liabilities 2019: $28,671Net Assets 2019: -$18,6772019Assets 2020: $13,472Liabilities 2020: $27,598Net Assets 2020: -$14,1262020Assets 2021: $10,371Liabilities 2021: $18,990Net Assets 2021: -$8,6192021Assets 2022: $8,934Liabilities 2022: $19,145Net Assets 2022: -$10,2112022Assets 2023: $11,134Liabilities 2023: $19,575Net Assets 2023: -$8,4412023

Highlighted filing

2023

Assets$11,134
Liabilities$19,575
Net Assets-$8,441

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$200K$100K$0-$100KRevenue 2012: $91,761Expenses 2012: $98,101Net Income 2012: -$6,3402012Revenue 2013: $33,706Expenses 2013: $32,011Net Income 2013: $1,6952013Revenue 2014: $182,791Expenses 2014: $187,657Net Income 2014: -$4,8662014Revenue 2015: $7,381Expenses 2015: $7,893Net Income 2015: -$5122015Revenue 2016: $49,819Expenses 2016: $35,813Net Income 2016: $14,0062016Revenue 2018: $95,960Expenses 2018: $117,098Net Income 2018: -$21,1382018Revenue 2019: $120,155Expenses 2019: $120,181Net Income 2019: -$262019Revenue 2020: $13,441Expenses 2020: $8,890Net Income 2020: $4,5512020Revenue 2021: $8,333Expenses 2021: $2,826Net Income 2021: $5,5072021Revenue 2022: $445Expenses 2022: $2,037Net Income 2022: -$1,5922022Revenue 2023: $4,729Expenses 2023: $2,959Net Income 2023: $1,7702023

Highlighted filing

2023

Revenue$4,729
Expenses$2,959
Net Income$1,770

Filings

Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jul 1, 2022 to Jun 30, 2023
Signed
Oct 25, 2023
Return Version
2022v5.0
Gross Receipts
$4,729
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To foster and promote music, music appreciation, and the appreciation of choral music in the local region by sponsoring and promoting concerts, recitals, choral presentations, musical programs and affairs for the benefit of the community.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
Sponsored and presented choral programs and recitalperformances for the benefit of the El Paso community.Performed one classical community concert this year.$0$1,956
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
Jose Antonio GonzalezPresident-$0--
Mario SanchezSecretary-$0--
Prentice LoftinTreasurer-$0--
Arsenio LopezDirector-$0--
Jeanette MolinarDirector-$0--
Taffy BaglyDirector-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
El Paso Choral Society
EIN
74-2574650
Phone
9154790156
Address
4832 Caseta, El Paso, TX 79922

Signing Officer

Name
Prentice Loftin
Title
Treasurer
Phone
9154790156
Signed
2023-10-25
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Croucher Hackett Calleros & Co
Address
7310 REMCON CIR STE B, EL PASO, TX 79912
Preparer
Pamela Sue Hackett
Phone
9155853176
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

Marketing 143.

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

Interest 675.

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

Credit Card Fees 80.

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

Bank Charges 105.

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

Concert Refreshments 200.

Form 990EZ, Part II, Line 24

Equipment, net of depreciation 423. 423.

Form 990EZ, Part II, Line 24

Amahl Costumes and Set 8100. 8100.

Form 990EZ, Part II, Line 26

Credit Card Payable 4145. 3825.

Form 990EZ, Part II, Line 26

Note Payable 15000. 15750.

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