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Aiacentral Kentucky Chapter Inc

EIN 61-1231421 • 501(c)6 • Louisville, KY

Profile

The organization was formed to provide structure to promote and forward the objectives of the american inst of architects within the chapter's territory

PO Box 701092Louisville, KY 40270-1092

aia-ckc.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

49th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

50th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

15th percentile

-35%

Higher net margin than 15% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

80th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 80% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2022

Asset Growth

32nd percentile

-12%

Faster asset growth than 32% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

71st percentile

14%

Faster revenue growth than 71% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)6 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Assets

Up

$91,507

Up $1,684 (+1.9%) from 2023

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2023

Net Assets

Up

$91,507

Up $1,684 (+1.9%) from 2023

Revenue

Up

$38,411

Up $2,868 (+8.1%) from 2023

Expenses

Down

$36,727

Down $11,203 (-23%) from 2023

Net Income

Up

$1,684

Up $14,071 (+114%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2011: $97,705Liabilities 2011: $02011Assets 2012: $103,011Liabilities 2012: $0Net Assets 2012: $103,0112012Assets 2013: $96,298Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $96,2982013Assets 2014: $101,987Liabilities 2014: $0Net Assets 2014: $101,9872014Assets 2015: $116,369Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $116,3692015Assets 2016: $115,488Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $115,4882016Assets 2017: $123,963Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $123,9632017Assets 2018: $128,943Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $128,9432018Assets 2019: $113,159Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $113,1592019Assets 2020: $116,399Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $116,3992020Assets 2021: $93,138Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $93,1382021Assets 2022: $102,210Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $102,2102022Assets 2023: $89,823Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $89,8232023Assets 2024: $91,507Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $91,5072024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$91,507
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$91,507

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2011: $44,529Expenses 2011: $35,789Net Income 2011: $8,7402011Revenue 2012: $46,304Expenses 2012: $40,998Net Income 2012: $5,3062012Revenue 2013: $34,235Expenses 2013: $40,948Net Income 2013: -$6,7132013Revenue 2014: $41,418Expenses 2014: $35,729Net Income 2014: $5,6892014Revenue 2015: $52,996Expenses 2015: $38,614Net Income 2015: $14,3822015Revenue 2016: $51,882Expenses 2016: $52,763Net Income 2016: -$8812016Revenue 2017: $29,477Expenses 2017: $21,002Net Income 2017: $8,4752017Revenue 2018: $52,532Expenses 2018: $47,552Net Income 2018: $4,9802018Revenue 2019: $41,896Expenses 2019: $57,680Net Income 2019: -$15,7842019Revenue 2020: $31,865Expenses 2020: $28,625Net Income 2020: $3,2402020Revenue 2021: $21,568Expenses 2021: $44,829Net Income 2021: -$23,2612021Revenue 2022: $31,075Expenses 2022: $22,003Net Income 2022: $9,0722022Revenue 2023: $35,543Expenses 2023: $47,930Net Income 2023: -$12,3872023Revenue 2024: $38,411Expenses 2024: $36,727Net Income 2024: $1,6842024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$38,411
Expenses$36,727
Net Income$1,684

Filings

Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.92$0.00$0.92$0.38$0.37$0.02
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.90$0.00$0.90$0.36$0.48$0.12
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.02$0.00$1.02$0.31$0.22$0.09
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.93$0.00$0.93$0.22$0.45$0.23
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.16$0.00$1.16$0.32$0.29$0.03
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.13$0.00$1.13$0.42$0.58$0.16
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.29$0.00$1.29$0.53$0.48$0.05
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.24$0.00$1.24$0.29$0.21$0.08
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.15$0.00$1.15$0.52$0.53$0.01
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.16$0.00$1.16$0.53$0.39$0.14
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.02$0.00$1.02$0.41$0.36$0.06
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.96$0.00$0.96$0.34$0.41$0.07
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.03$0.00$1.03$0.46$0.41$0.05
2011Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.98$0.00$0.45$0.36$0.09
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Apr 7, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.1
Gross Receipts
$38,411
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

The organization was formed to provide structure to promote and forward the objectives of the american inst of architects within the chapter's territory

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
EXPENSES TO PROMOTE THE OBJECTIVES OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS WITHIN THE CHAPTER'S TERRITORY$0$36,727
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
SENAIT KASSAPast President-$0--
DAVID MARCHALPresident-$0--
JOSEPH DYEVice President (Beg 2024)-$0--
MARTY MERKELTreasurer-$0--
SCOTT KREMERSecretary-$0--
ANNA TRIPLETTPast President (End 2024)-$0--
SARAH DALGADirector-$0--
NATHAN SMITHDirector-$0--
NICK WILEYDirector-$0--
JENNIFER AYERSDirector (Beg 2024)-$0--
STEVEN GOLDSTEINDirector (End 2024)-$0--
Political and Lobbying Activity
In-house lobbying only
Yes
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Aiacentral Kentucky Chapter Inc
EIN
61-1231421
Phone
5025834697
Address
PO BOX 701092, LOUISVILLE, KY 40270-1092

Signing Officer

Name
Marty Merkel
Title
Board Member
Phone
5025834697
Signed
2025-04-07
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Blue & Co LLC
Address
2650 EASTPOINT PKWY SUITE 300, LOUISVILLE, KY 40223
Preparer
Emilie M Knieriem CPA
Phone
5029923500
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 4 - Other Investment Income

Description: pnc bank. Amount: 641.

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

Description: office supplies & printing. Amount: 395. Description: liability insurance. Amount: 1,289. Description: meeting and social event expenses. Amount: 23,155. Description: conventions. Amount: 8,036. Description: website. Amount: 325. Description: education. Amount: 227. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 33,427.

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