Civic Intelligence

Silver Spring Lodge No 1199 Loyal Order of Moose

EIN 59-1960579 • Ocala, FL

P O Box 830625Ocala, FL 34483-0625
Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

83rd percentile

0.27x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 83% of similar nonprofits.

$500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2020

Liabilities / Revenue

92nd percentile

0.80x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 92% of similar nonprofits.

$500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2020

Net Margin

80th percentile

30%

Higher net margin than 80% of similar nonprofits.

$500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2020

Top Officer Pay

Score unavailable

No value available

No filing with officer or executive compensation is available for this organization yet.

Asset Growth

26th percentile

-4.9%

Faster asset growth than 26% of similar nonprofits.

$500k-$1M nonprofits • Annualized from 2019 to 2020

Revenue Growth

35th percentile

-1.2%

Faster revenue growth than 35% of similar nonprofits.

$500k-$1M nonprofits • Annualized from 2019 to 2020

Assets

Down

$816,626

Down $41,857 (-4.9%) from 2019

Liabilities

Down

$221,169

Down $51,520 (-19%) from 2019

Net Assets

Up

$595,457

Up $9,663 (+1.6%) from 2019

Revenue

Down

$274,916

Down $3,414 (-1.2%) from 2019

Expenses

Down

$192,229

Down $107,814 (-36%) from 2019

Net Income

Up

$82,687

Up $104,400 (+481%) from 2019

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$1.0M$500K$0Assets 2011: $861,628Liabilities 2011: $233,044Net Assets 2011: $628,5842011Assets 2012: $846,343Liabilities 2012: $226,986Net Assets 2012: $619,3572012Assets 2013: $846,197Liabilities 2013: $214,695Net Assets 2013: $631,5022013Assets 2014: $885,580Liabilities 2014: $233,928Net Assets 2014: $651,6522014Assets 2015: $851,078Liabilities 2015: $209,904Net Assets 2015: $641,1742015Assets 2016: $857,421Liabilities 2016: $223,687Net Assets 2016: $633,7342016Assets 2017: $867,132Liabilities 2017: $236,268Net Assets 2017: $630,8642017Assets 2018: $866,637Liabilities 2018: $242,488Net Assets 2018: $624,1492018Assets 2019: $858,483Liabilities 2019: $272,689Net Assets 2019: $585,7942019Assets 2020: $816,626Liabilities 2020: $221,169Net Assets 2020: $595,4572020

Highlighted filing

2020

Assets$816,626
Liabilities$221,169
Net Assets$595,457

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$800K$600K$400K$200K$0-$200KExpenses 2011: $715,7372011Revenue 2012: $511,903Expenses 2012: $521,130Net Income 2012: -$9,2272012Revenue 2013: $482,072Expenses 2013: $469,927Net Income 2013: $12,1452013Revenue 2014: $561,169Expenses 2014: $540,219Net Income 2014: $20,9502014Revenue 2015: $429,604Expenses 2015: $440,082Net Income 2015: -$10,4782015Revenue 2016: $268,618Expenses 2016: $276,406Net Income 2016: -$7,7882016Revenue 2017: $271,176Expenses 2017: $274,046Net Income 2017: -$2,8702017Revenue 2018: $305,494Expenses 2018: $312,209Net Income 2018: -$6,7152018Revenue 2019: $278,330Expenses 2019: $300,043Net Income 2019: -$21,7132019Revenue 2020: $274,916Expenses 2020: $192,229Net Income 2020: $82,6872020

Highlighted filing

2020

Revenue$274,916
Expenses$192,229
Net Income$82,687

Filings

Latest Detailed Filing

The latest 2020 filing currently has summary financial data only. Showing the latest detailed filing from 2011 below.

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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
May 1, 2010 to Apr 30, 2011
Signed
Jun 13, 2011
Return Version
2010v3.2
Gross Receipts
$957,229
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

EIN
59-1960579
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