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Century Homes for Elderly Inc Springbrook Apartments
EIN 58-1816770 • 501(c)3 • Morristown, TN
Profile
Affordable housing for the low income and elderly
Siviq Scores
Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.
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Liabilities / Revenue
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Net Margin
29th percentile
Higher net margin than 29% of similar nonprofits.
Top Officer Pay
84th percentile
Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.
Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.
Asset Growth
9th percentile
Faster asset growth than 9% of similar nonprofits.
Revenue Growth
10th percentile
Faster revenue growth than 10% of similar nonprofits.
Balance Sheet
Assets
Down$1
Down $416,548 (-100%) from 2014
Liabilities
Down$0
Down $660,026 (-100%) from 2014
Net Assets
Up$0
Up $243,477 (+100%) from 2014
Revenue
Down$36,648
Down $100,146 (-73%) from 2014
Expenses
Down$40,811
Down $113,118 (-73%) from 2014
Net Income
Up-$4,163
Up $12,972 (+76%) from 2014
Trend Graphs
Filings
Most recent year
2015 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.
- Assets
- $1
- Liabilities
- $0
- Net assets
- $0
- Revenue
- $36,648
- Expenses
- $40,811
- Net income
- -$4,163
Latest Filing Detail
Jump To
Filing Snapshot
- Filing Period
- Apr 1, 2014 to Mar 31, 2015
- Signed
- Jul 1, 2015
- Return Version
- 2014v5.0
- Gross Receipts
- $36,648
Mission and Program Overview
Mission
Affordable housing for the low income and elderly
Program Services
| Description | Grants | Expenses |
|---|---|---|
| TO PROVIDE HUD ASSISTED HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME AND ELDERLY TENANTS, 24 UNITS ARE PROVIDED | - | $38,396 |
Compensation and Service Providers
Employees
| Name | Title | Full / Part Time | Base | Other | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| MICHAEL COLLINS | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| SUSAN LUKER | President | - | $0 | - | - |
| GENEVA MYERS | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| BARBARA MASON | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| JOE BENTHALL | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| BARBARA RAPER | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| STANLEY WILDER | Secretary | - | $0 | - | - |
| LANE WOLFENBARGER | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| JACK YATES | Vice-Chairma | - | $0 | - | - |
| NANCY BISHOP | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
| KIM LOVEDAY | Director | - | $0 | - | - |
Filing and Contact Details
Filer
- Filer Name
- Century Homes for Elderly Inc
- EIN
- 58-1816770
- Phone
- 4235861494
- Address
- 407 EAST MAIN STREET, MORRISTOWN, TN 37814
Signing Officer
- Name
- Susan Luker
- Title
- President
- Phone
- 4235861494
- Signed
- 2015-07-01
Preparer
- Firm
- Duane Cline Cpallc
- Address
- PO BOX 1951, MORRISTOWN, TN 37816-1951
- Preparer
- Duane Cline
- Phone
- 4235879335
Supplemental Narrative
Additional Explanations
Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16
“Expenses advertising 200 office expense 1,392 travel 91 mortgage interest 13,114 insurance 109 operating/maint. Contract 2,686 garbage/trash removal 310 operating/main. Supplies 1,346 telephone 273 resident activities 2 licensing 45 non-investment depreciation 5,872 total 25,440”
Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 20
“Transfer to east tn homes 247,640”
Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24
“Prepaid expenses and deferred charges 1,473 0 equipment 33,158 0 less accumulated depreciation 23,892 0 loan fees 9,600 0 total 20,339 0”
Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 26
“Accounts payable and accrued expenses 34,403 0 tenant security deposits 5,675 0 mortgage and other notes payable 619,948 0”
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| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 1 | TRANSFER TO EAST TN HOMES 247,640 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 2 | PREPAID EXPENSES AND DEFERRED CHARGES 1,473 0 EQUIPMENT 33,158 0 LESS ACCUMULATED DEPRECIATION 23,892 0 LOAN FEES 9,600 0 TOTAL 20,339 0 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 3 | ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND ACCRUED EXPENSES 34,403 0 TENANT SECURITY DEPOSITS 5,675 0 MORTGAGE AND OTHER NOTES PAYABLE 619,948 0 |
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