Civic Intelligence

Seattle Spice Softball Club

EIN 48-1254865 • 501(c)3 • Seattle, WA

Profile

To provide an opportunity for girls to play competitive fastpitch softball in an environment based on teaching the proper skills and always with the spirit of true sportsmanship.

PO Box 30622Seattle, WA 98113

seattlespice.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2016

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2016

Net Margin

57th percentile

5.5%

Higher net margin than 57% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2016

Top Officer Pay

84th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2016

Asset Growth

47th percentile

-3.3%

Faster asset growth than 47% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2015 to 2016

Revenue Growth

65th percentile

12%

Faster revenue growth than 65% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2015 to 2016

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets59th percentile

Assets

Down

$38,823

Down $1,317 (-3.3%) from 2015

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2015

Net Assets

Down

$38,823

Down $1,317 (-3.3%) from 2015

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue61st percentileNet Margin57th percentile

Revenue

Up

$119,763

Up $12,550 (+12%) from 2015

Expenses

Up

$113,204

Up $22,131 (+24%) from 2015

Net Income

Down

$6,559

Down $9,581 (-59%) from 2015

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth47th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$60K$40K$20K$0Assets 2010: $27,010Liabilities 2010: $0Net Assets 2010: $27,0102010Assets 2011: $42,926Liabilities 2011: $02011Assets 2012: $50,517Liabilities 2012: $0Net Assets 2012: $50,5172012Assets 2013: $41,318Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $41,3182013Assets 2014: $58,856Liabilities 2014: $0Net Assets 2014: $58,8562014Assets 2015: $40,140Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $40,1402015Assets 2016: $38,823Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $38,8232016

Highlighted filing

2016

Assets$38,823
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$38,823
Open 2016 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth65th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2010: $54,943Expenses 2010: $46,151Net Income 2010: $8,7922010Revenue 2011: $98,557Expenses 2011: $82,641Net Income 2011: $15,9162011Revenue 2012: $128,372Expenses 2012: $120,781Net Income 2012: $7,5912012Revenue 2013: $80,502Expenses 2013: $89,701Net Income 2013: -$9,1992013Revenue 2014: $92,398Expenses 2014: $75,011Net Income 2014: $17,3872014Revenue 2015: $107,213Expenses 2015: $91,073Net Income 2015: $16,1402015Revenue 2016: $119,763Expenses 2016: $113,204Net Income 2016: $6,5592016

Highlighted filing

2016

Revenue$119,763
Expenses$113,204
Net Income$6,559
Open 2016 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2016 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$38,823
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$38,823
Revenue
$119,763
Expenses
$113,204
Net income
$6,559
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.39$0.00$0.39$1.20$1.13$0.07
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.40$0.00$0.40$1.07$0.91$0.16
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.59$0.00$0.59$0.92$0.75$0.17
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.41$0.00$0.41$0.81$0.90$0.09
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.51$0.00$0.51$1.28$1.21$0.08
2011Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.43$0.00$0.99$0.83$0.16
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.27$0.00$0.27$0.55$0.46$0.09
Latest Filing Detail
Jump To
Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2016 to Dec 31, 2016
Signed
Nov 14, 2017
Return Version
2016v3.0
Gross Receipts
$138,749
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To provide an opportunity for girls to play competitive fastpitch softball in an environment based on teaching the proper skills and always with the spirit of true sportsmanship.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
Rental of outdoor fields and indoor training facilities for all teams; over 80 girls served, aged 8-18.$0$55,625
Tournament participation for all teams, benefiting over 80 girls aged 8-18.$0$35,578
Equipment for all teams, benefiting over 80 girls aged 8-18.$0$6,251
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay84th percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
Jon HughesPresidentPT$0--
Steve BarkerVice PresidentPT$0--
Kelly WielandOmbudsman-$0--
Audrey KamemotoSecretary-$0--
Kristen ColantuonoTreasurer-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Seattle Spice Softball Club
EIN
48-1254865
Phone
2067819363
Address
PO Box 30622, Seattle, WA 98113

Signing Officer

Name
Kristen Colantuono
Title
Treasurer
Phone
2067819363
Signed
2017-11-14
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Preparer
Kristen Colantuono
Phone
2067819363
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Part I, Line 16

“Outdoor fields and indoor facility rental - $55,625; Insurance and sanctioning fees - $4693; Tournament participation fees - $35,578; Equipment - $6251; Uniforms - $2442; Travel and organization meetings - $4972; Training - $869; Supplies/awards - $1455.”

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