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EIN 47-2501564 • 501(c)3 • Dallas, OR
Profile
To encourage and inspire restoration, economic vitality, arts, and community spirit in the historic downtown district of dallas.
Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.
Liabilities / Assets
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Liabilities / Revenue
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Net Margin
60th percentile
Higher net margin than 60% of similar nonprofits.
Top Officer Pay
84th percentile
Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.
Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.
Asset Growth
69th percentile
Faster asset growth than 69% of similar nonprofits.
Revenue Growth
47th percentile
Faster revenue growth than 47% of similar nonprofits.
Assets
Up$42,789
Up $4,260 (+11%) from 2023
Liabilities
-
No earlier filing loaded for comparison.
Net Assets
Up$42,789
Up $4,260 (+11%) from 2023
Revenue
Down$55,860
Down $2,213 (-3.8%) from 2023
Expenses
Down$51,600
Down $6,160 (-11%) from 2023
Net Income
Up$4,260
Up $3,947 (+1261%) from 2023
Most recent year
2024 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.
To encourage and inspire restoration, economic vitality, the arts and community spirit in the historic (dallas) downtown district.
To encourage and inspire restoration, economic vitality, arts, and community spirit in the historic downtown district of dallas.
| Description | Grants | Expenses |
|---|---|---|
| DESIGN COMMITTEE IS IN CHARGE OF THE DOWN TOWN RESTORATION PROJECTS SUCH AS THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING PROJECT AND THE MURAL PROJECT. | $18,785 | $6,697 |
| OTHER PROMOTIONAL EVENTS TO DRAW PEOPLE TOGETHER IN THE COMMUNITY TO ESTABLISH COMMUNITY APPRECIATION. THESE EVENTS WERE THE CHRISTMAS TOWN, TRICK OR TREAT AND MOVIE NIGHT. | $12,915 | $13,852 |
| THE FARMERS MARKET PROJECT INCOME COMS FROM GRANTS, SPONSORSHIPS, VENDOR, AND SNAP INCOME. IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL INCOME AND NEEDED RESOURCES FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. | $11,824 | $7,550 |
| Name | Title | Full / Part Time | Base | Other | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| JASON SAUNDERS | President | - | $0 | - | - |
| TARA TOWNLEY | Vice President | - | $0 | - | - |
| SARRAH MCMASTER | Treasurer | - | $0 | - | - |
| MICHELL PLATT | Secretary | - | $0 | - | - |
| HELEN CONNOLLY | Program Manager | PT | $0 | - | - |
“The organization had a change of address not noted on teh original return.”
“City of dallas grant $13,035 other donations $7,121”
“Program income: christmas town $7615 design committee income: building lights, mural project, & trick n treat $7050 farmers market income: $11,8224 awards banquet sponser, parade entries and movie night: $7252”
“Program expenses: christmas town $5327 committee expenses: $11,445 farmers market expenses: $7550 awards banquet, parade, and trick n treat expense $3813 payroll expenses: $11,504 liability insurance: $1990 bank fees: $90 memberships & dues: $926 workshops, meetings, training & travel: $2,089”
“All officers and directors have voting rights”
“The organization made an amendment to the bylaws in december of 2024 to no longer be a membership association”
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| IRS990EZ/PrimaryExemptPurposeTxt | 0 | TO ENCOURAGE AND INSPIRE RESTORATION, ECONOMIC VITALITY, ARTS, AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OF DALLAS. |
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| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 0 | CITY OF DALLAS GRANT $13,035 OTHER DONATIONS $7,121 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 1 | PROGRAM INCOME: CHRISTMAS TOWN $7615 DESIGN COMMITTEE INCOME: BUILDING LIGHTS, MURAL PROJECT, & TRICK N TREAT $7050 FARMERS MARKET INCOME: $11,8224 AWARDS BANQUET SPONSER, PARADE ENTRIES AND MOVIE NIGHT: $7252 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 2 | PROGRAM EXPENSES: CHRISTMAS TOWN $5327 COMMITTEE EXPENSES: $11,445 FARMERS MARKET EXPENSES: $7550 AWARDS BANQUET, PARADE, AND TRICK N TREAT EXPENSE $3813 PAYROLL EXPENSES: $11,504 LIABILITY INSURANCE: $1990 BANK FEES: $90 MEMBERSHIPS & DUES: $926 WORKSHOPS, MEETINGS, TRAINING & TRAVEL: $2,089 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 3 | ALL OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS HAVE VOTING RIGHTS |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 4 | THE ORGANIZATION HAD A CHANGE OF ADDRESS NOT NOTED ON TEH ORIGINAL RETURN. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 5 | THE ORGANIZATION MADE AN AMENDMENT TO THE BYLAWS IN DECEMBER OF 2024 TO NO LONGER BE A MEMBERSHIP ASSOCIATION |
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| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 1 | PART 1 LINE 2 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 2 | PART 1 LINE 16 |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 3 | PART IV |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 4 | PAGE 1 SECTION C AMENDED |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 5 | PART V LINE 34 |
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| ReturnHeader/TaxYr | 0 | 2024 |
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