Civic Intelligence

Romine Ministries

EIN 45-5553236 • 501(c)3 • Vancouver, WA

Profile

To take mission teams to international locations to preach the gospel of jesus christ.

9709 NE 83rd CourtVancouver, WA 98662

www.romineministries.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2025

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2025

Net Margin

72nd percentile

18%

Higher net margin than 72% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$660

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 4.4% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Asset Growth

97th percentile

372%

Faster asset growth than 97% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Revenue Growth

93rd percentile

134%

Faster revenue growth than 93% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Assets

Up

$3,368

Up $2,655 (+372%) from 2024

Liabilities

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Assets

Up

$3,368

Up $2,655 (+372%) from 2024

Revenue

Up

$15,050

Up $8,605 (+134%) from 2024

Expenses

Up

$12,395

Up $4,988 (+67%) from 2024

Net Income

Up

$2,655

Up $3,617 (+376%) from 2024

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$20K$15K$10K$5.0K$0Assets 2013: $16,696Liabilities 2013: $2,2752013Assets 2014: $6,003Liabilities 2014: $53Net Assets 2014: $5,9502014Assets 2015: $5,380Liabilities 2015: $1,238Net Assets 2015: $4,1422015Assets 2016: $6,447Liabilities 2016: $905Net Assets 2016: $5,5422016Assets 2017: $3,919Liabilities 2017: $92Net Assets 2017: $3,8272017Assets 2018: $6,656Net Assets 2018: $6,6562018Assets 2019: $291Net Assets 2019: $2912019Assets 2020: $4,919Net Assets 2020: $4,9192020Assets 2021: $3,442Net Assets 2021: $3,4422021Assets 2022: $5,571Net Assets 2022: $5,5712022Assets 2023: $1,675Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $1,6752023Assets 2024: $713Net Assets 2024: $7132024Assets 2025: $3,368Net Assets 2025: $3,3682025

Highlighted filing

2025

Assets$3,368
Liabilities-
Net Assets$3,368

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2013: $138,033Expenses 2013: $123,612Net Income 2013: $14,4212013Revenue 2014: $103,528Expenses 2014: $111,999Net Income 2014: -$8,4712014Revenue 2015: $81,206Expenses 2015: $83,014Net Income 2015: -$1,8082015Revenue 2016: $78,825Expenses 2016: $77,425Net Income 2016: $1,4002016Revenue 2017: $66,271Expenses 2017: $67,986Net Income 2017: -$1,7152017Revenue 2018: $59,745Expenses 2018: $56,916Net Income 2018: $2,8292018Revenue 2019: $86,950Expenses 2019: $93,315Net Income 2019: -$6,3652019Revenue 2020: $71,452Expenses 2020: $66,824Net Income 2020: $4,6282020Revenue 2021: $60,742Expenses 2021: $62,219Net Income 2021: -$1,4772021Revenue 2022: $58,662Expenses 2022: $56,533Net Income 2022: $2,1292022Revenue 2023: $108,185Expenses 2023: $112,081Net Income 2023: -$3,8962023Revenue 2024: $6,445Expenses 2024: $7,407Net Income 2024: -$9622024Revenue 2025: $15,050Expenses 2025: $12,395Net Income 2025: $2,6552025

Highlighted filing

2025

Revenue$15,050
Expenses$12,395
Net Income$2,655

Filings

Latest Filing Detail
Jump To
Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Oct 1, 2024 to Sep 30, 2025
Signed
Feb 14, 2026
Return Version
2024v5.2
Gross Receipts
$15,050
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To take mission teams to international locations to preach the gospel of jesus christ.

SEE SCHEDULE O

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
TO TAKE MISSION TEAMS TO INTERNATIONAL LOCATIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST--
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
CYNTHIA ROMINEPresidentFT$0$660$660
CARYN VEACHSecretary-$0--
MILAGROS ROMINETreasurerPT$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Romine Ministries
EIN
45-5553236
Phone
3609091511
Address
9709 NE 83RD COURT, Vancouver, WA 98662

Signing Officer

Name
Cynthia Romine
Title
President
Phone
3602549369
Signed
2026-02-14
Discuss with paid preparer
No

Preparer

Firm
Blaines Accounting
Address
260 East Pomona Road, Yakima, WA 98901
Preparer
Blaine Fielding
Phone
5097284590
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-Z, Part I. Line 16

Missions 650 utilities 754 telecommunications 1075 travel 7346 total 9071

Form 990-ez Part III - Organizations Primary Exempt Purpose

To take mission teams to international locations to preach the gospel of jesus christ

Form 990-ez, Part V - Regarding Transfers Associated With Personal Benefit Contracts

A did not receive any funds

Form 990-ez, Part V - Regarding Transfers Associated With Personal Benefit Contracts

B NO FUNDS PAID

Raw XML Appendix201 raw XML fields

This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

Path#Value
IRS990EZ/ActivitiesNotPreviouslyRptInd0false
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/PersonNm0CYNTHIA ROMINE
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/PhoneNum03603563761
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/AddressLine1Txt09709 NE 83RD COURT
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/CityNm0Vancouver
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/StateAbbreviationCd0WA
IRS990EZ/BooksInCareOfDetail/USAddress/ZIPCd098662
IRS990EZ/CashSavingsAndInvestmentsGrp/BOYAmt0713
IRS990EZ/CashSavingsAndInvestmentsGrp/EOYAmt03368
IRS990EZ/ChgMadeToOrgnzngDocNotRptInd0false
IRS990EZ/ContributionsGiftsGrantsEtcAmt015050
IRS990EZ/DonorAdvisedFndsInd0false
IRS990EZ/EngagedInExcessBenefitTransInd0false
IRS990EZ/ExcessOrDeficitForYearAmt02655
IRS990EZ/FiledScheduleAInd0false
IRS990EZ/ForeignFinancialAccountInd0false
IRS990EZ/ForeignOfficeInd0false
IRS990EZ/Form1120PolFiledInd0false
IRS990EZ/Form720FiledInd0false
IRS990EZ/Form990TotalAssetsGrp/BOYAmt0713
IRS990EZ/Form990TotalAssetsGrp/EOYAmt03368
IRS990EZ/GainOrLossFromSaleOfAssetsAmt00
IRS990EZ/GamingGrossIncomeAmt00
IRS990EZ/GrossProfitLossSlsOfInvntryAmt00
IRS990EZ/GrossReceiptsAmt015050
IRS990EZ/GrossReceiptsForPublicUseAmt00
IRS990EZ/InfoInScheduleOPartIInd0X
IRS990EZ/InfoInScheduleOPartVInd0X
IRS990EZ/InitiationFeesAndCapContriAmt00
IRS990EZ/LoansToFromOfficersAmt00
IRS990EZ/LobbyingActivitiesInd0false
IRS990EZ/MadeLoansToFromOfficersInd0false
IRS990EZ/MethodOfAccountingCashInd0X
IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesBOYAmt0713
IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesEOYAmt03368
IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesGrp/BOYAmt0713
IRS990EZ/NetAssetsOrFundBalancesGrp/EOYAmt03368
IRS990EZ/OccupancyRentUtltsAndMaintAmt01089
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt040
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt13
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/AverageHrsPerWkDevotedToPosRt220
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt00
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt10
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/CompensationAmt20
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt0660
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt10
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/EmployeeBenefitProgramAmt20
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt00
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt10
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/ExpenseAccountOtherAllwncAmt20
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm0CYNTHIA ROMINE
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm1CARYN VEACH
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/PersonNm2MILAGROS ROMINE
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt0PRESIDENT
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt1SECRETARY
IRS990EZ/OfficerDirectorTrusteeEmplGrp/TitleTxt2TREASURER
IRS990EZ/OperateHospitalInd0false
IRS990EZ/Organization501c3Ind0X
IRS990EZ/OrganizationDissolvedEtcInd0false
IRS990EZ/OrganizationFiled990TInd0false
IRS990EZ/OrganizationHadUBIInd0false
IRS990EZ/OtherExpensesTotalAmt09071
IRS990EZ/PartVIHghstPdCntrctProfSrvcTxt0NONE
IRS990EZ/PartVIOfCompOfHghstPdEmplTxt0NONE
IRS990EZ/PoliticalCampaignActyInd0false
IRS990EZ/PrimaryExemptPurposeTxt0SEE SCHEDULE O
IRS990EZ/PrintingPublicationsPostageAmt0819
IRS990EZ/ProgramSrvcAccomplishmentGrp/DescriptionProgramSrvcAccomTxt0TO TAKE MISSION TEAMS TO INTERNATIONAL LOCATIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
IRS990EZ/ProhibitedTaxShelterTransInd0false
IRS990EZ/RelatedOrganizationCtrlEntInd0false
IRS990EZ/RelatedOrgSect527OrgInd0false
IRS990EZ/SalariesOtherCompEmplBnftAmt01416
IRS990EZ/ScheduleBNotRequiredInd0X
IRS990EZ/SchoolOperatingInd0false
IRS990EZ/SpecialEventsNetIncomeLossAmt00
IRS990EZ/SubjectToProxyTaxInd0false
IRS990EZ/TanningServicesProvidedInd0false
IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4911Amt00
IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4912Amt00
IRS990EZ/TaxImposedUnderIRC4955Amt00
IRS990EZ/TotalExpensesAmt012395
IRS990EZ/TotalProgramServiceExpensesAmt00
IRS990EZ/TotalRevenueAmt015050
IRS990EZ/TransactionWithControlEntInd0false
IRS990EZ/TrnsfrExmptNonChrtblRltdOrgInd0false
IRS990EZ/WebsiteAddressTxt0WWW.ROMINEMINISTRIES.ORG
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYAdjNetIncomeDistributableAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYDistributableAsAdjustedAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYGreaterAdjustedMinimumAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYIncomeTaxImposedPYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYPct85AdjustedNetIncomeAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributableAmountGrp/CYTotalMinAstDistributableAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CarryoverPYNotAppliedAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CYDistriAppDistributableAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CYDistribAppUnderdistriPYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CYDistributableAsAdjustedAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CyovAppliedUnderdistrCPYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CyovAppliedUnderdistriPYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/CYTotalAnnualDistributionsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovYr1Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovYr2Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovYr3Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovYr4Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistributionCyovYr5Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessDistriCyovToNextYrAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessFromYear1Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessFromYear2Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessFromYear3Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessFromYear4Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/ExcessFromYear5Amt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/RemainingUnderdistriCYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/RemainingUnderdistriPYAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/TotalExcessDistributionCyovAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionAllocationsGrp/UnderdistributionsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYAdministrativeExpensePaidAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYDistriAttentiveSuprtOrgAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYDistributableAsAdjustedAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYDistributionYrRt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYOtherDistributionsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYPaidAccomplishExemptPrpsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYPdInExcessIncomeActivityAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/CYTotalAnnualDistributionsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/ExemptUseAssetsAcquisPaidAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/DistributionsGrp/QualifiedSetAsideAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/First5Years170Ind0X
IRS990ScheduleA/First5Years509Ind0X
IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearAmt015050
IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt06225
IRS990ScheduleA/GiftsGrantsContrisRcvd509Grp/TotalAmt021275
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeAndUBTIGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomeCYPct00.00000
IRS990ScheduleA/InvestmentIncomePYPct00.00000
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/AcquisitionIndebtednessGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/AdjustedFMVLessIndebtednessGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/AverageMonthlyCashBalancesGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/AverageMonthlyFMVOfSecGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/CashDeemedCharitableGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/DiscountClaimedAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/FMVOtherNonExemptUseAssetGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/NetVlNonExemptUseAssetsGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/PctOfNetVlNonExemptUseAstGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/RecoveriesPYDistriMinAssetGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/TotalFMVOfNonExemptUseAssetGrp/CurrentYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/TotalFMVOfNonExemptUseAssetGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/MinimumAssetAmountGrp/TotalMinimumAssetGrp/PriorYearAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/PubliclySupportedOrg509a2Ind0X
IRS990ScheduleA/PublicSupportCY509Pct01.00000
IRS990ScheduleA/PublicSupportTotal509Amt021275
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearAmt015050
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt06225
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/Total509Grp/TotalAmt021275
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearAmt015050
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus1YearAmt06225
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus2YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus3YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/CurrentTaxYearMinus4YearsAmt00
IRS990ScheduleA/TotalSupportCalendarYearGrp/TotalAmt021275
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt0MISSIONS 650 UTILITIES 754 TELECOMMUNICATIONS 1075 TRAVEL 7346 TOTAL 9071
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt1TO TAKE MISSION TEAMS TO INTERNATIONAL LOCATIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt2A DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FUNDS
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt3B NO FUNDS PAID
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc0FORM 990-Z, PART I. LINE 16
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc1FORM 990-EZ PART III - ORGANIZATIONS PRIMARY EXEMPT PURPOSE
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc2FORM 990-EZ, PART V - REGARDING TRANSFERS ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONAL BENEFIT CONTRACTS
IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc3FORM 990-EZ, PART V - REGARDING TRANSFERS ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONAL BENEFIT CONTRACTS
ReturnHeader/BuildTS02025-03-06 01:10:19Z
ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/DiscussWithPaidPreparerInd0false
ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PersonNm0CYNTHIA ROMINE
ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PersonTitleTxt0PRESIDENT
ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/PhoneNum03602549369
ReturnHeader/BusinessOfficerGrp/SignatureDt02026-02-14
ReturnHeader/Filer/BusinessName/BusinessNameLine1Txt0ROMINE MINISTRIES
ReturnHeader/Filer/BusinessNameControlTxt0ROMI
ReturnHeader/Filer/EIN0455553236
ReturnHeader/Filer/PhoneNum03609091511
ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/AddressLine1Txt09709 NE 83RD COURT
ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/CityNm0Vancouver
ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/StateAbbreviationCd0WA
ReturnHeader/Filer/USAddress/ZIPCd098662
ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerFirmName/BusinessNameLine1Txt0Blaines Accounting
ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/AddressLine1Txt0260 East Pomona Road
ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/CityNm0Yakima
ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/StateAbbreviationCd0WA
ReturnHeader/PreparerFirmGrp/PreparerUSAddress/ZIPCd098901
ReturnHeader/PreparerPersonGrp/PhoneNum05097284590
ReturnHeader/PreparerPersonGrp/PreparerPersonNm0Blaine Fielding
ReturnHeader/PreparerPersonGrp/SelfEmployedInd0X
ReturnHeader/ReturnTs02026-02-14T16:54:06-08:00
ReturnHeader/ReturnTypeCd0990EZ
ReturnHeader/TaxPeriodBeginDt02024-10-01
ReturnHeader/TaxPeriodEndDt02025-09-30
ReturnHeader/TaxYr02024

Document Assets

No mirrored PDF or thumbnail assets are attached yet.