Liabilities / Assets
93rd percentile
Higher debt load relative to assets than 93% of similar nonprofits.
EIN 39-1086424
Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.
Liabilities / Assets
93rd percentile
Higher debt load relative to assets than 93% of similar nonprofits.
Liabilities / Revenue
Score unavailable
Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.
Net Margin
Score unavailable
Net margin requires both revenue and expenses on the latest valid filing.
Top Officer Pay
Score unavailable
No filing with officer or executive compensation is available for this organization yet.
Asset Growth
33rd percentile
Faster asset growth than 33% of similar nonprofits.
Revenue Growth
Score unavailable
No valid filing value is available for this score.
Assets
Down$683,048
Down $17,738 (-2.5%) from 2011
Liabilities
Down$552,630
Down $15,997 (-2.8%) from 2011
Net Assets
Down$130,418
Down $1,741 (-1.3%) from 2011
Revenue
-
No earlier filing loaded for comparison.
Expenses
Up$54,597
Up $5,430 (+11%) from 2011
Net Income
-
No earlier filing loaded for comparison.
Most recent year
2012 • Form 990Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.
This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.
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| IRS990ScheduleO/GeneralExplanation/Explanation | 1 | The Board of Directors is elected by the membership utilizing their one vote per member |
| IRS990ScheduleO/GeneralExplanation/Explanation | 2 | Each member has one vote to utilize in ratifying significant decisions beyond the authority of the Board as outlined in the organization9s bylaws. Any decision to dissolve or merge the organization requires approval of membership, unless mandated by regulatory agency (i.e., NCUA, Wisconsin Office of Credit Unions). |
| IRS990ScheduleO/GeneralExplanation/Explanation | 3 | Board of Directors familiar with all aspects of this credit union, look report over thouroughly before filing. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/GeneralExplanation/Explanation | 4 | Passed out at Annual Meeting (Financial Statements) and mailed upon request. |
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| ReturnHeader/BuildTS | 0 | 2016-02-24 21:20:13Z |
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