Civic Intelligence

The Adrian Dell and Carmen Roberts Foundation

EIN 33-0056607 • 501(c)3 • Riverside, CA

Profile

Cultural activies and exposure

PO Box 55604Riverside, CA 92517

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

83rd percentile

33%

Higher net margin than 83% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

84th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Asset Growth

81st percentile

30%

Faster asset growth than 81% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

90th percentile

78%

Faster revenue growth than 90% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets59th percentile

Assets

Up

$169,516

Up $39,089 (+30%) from 2022

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2022

Net Assets

Up

$169,516

Up $39,089 (+30%) from 2022

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue61st percentileNet Margin83rd percentile

Revenue

Up

$120,189

Up $52,768 (+78%) from 2022

Expenses

Up

$81,100

Up $44,270 (+120%) from 2022

Net Income

Up

$39,089

Up $8,498 (+28%) from 2022

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth81st percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2013: $19,259Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $19,2592013Assets 2016: $6,703Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $6,7032016Assets 2017: $4,497Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $4,4972017Assets 2018: $3,577Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $3,5772018Assets 2019: $35,802Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $35,8022019Assets 2020: $77,180Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $77,1802020Assets 2021: $99,834Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $99,8342021Assets 2022: $130,427Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $130,4272022Assets 2023: $169,516Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $169,5162023

Highlighted filing

2023

Assets$169,516
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$169,516
Open 2023 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth90th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2013: $30,264Expenses 2013: $22,231Net Income 2013: $8,0332013Revenue 2016: $16,643Expenses 2016: $23,413Net Income 2016: -$6,7702016Revenue 2017: $25,315Expenses 2017: $32,408Net Income 2017: -$7,0932017Revenue 2018: $25,831Expenses 2018: $26,617Net Income 2018: -$7862018Revenue 2019: $77,715Expenses 2019: $45,490Net Income 2019: $32,2252019Revenue 2020: $93,303Expenses 2020: $50,719Net Income 2020: $42,5842020Revenue 2021: $42,450Expenses 2021: $19,796Net Income 2021: $22,6542021Revenue 2022: $67,421Expenses 2022: $36,830Net Income 2022: $30,5912022Revenue 2023: $120,189Expenses 2023: $81,100Net Income 2023: $39,0892023

Highlighted filing

2023

Revenue$120,189
Expenses$81,100
Net Income$39,089
Open 2023 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2023 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$169,516
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$169,516
Revenue
$120,189
Expenses
$81,100
Net income
$39,089
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.70$0.00$1.70$1.20$0.81$0.39
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.30$0.00$1.30$0.67$0.37$0.31
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.00$0.00$1.00$0.42$0.20$0.23
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.77$0.00$0.77$0.93$0.51$0.43
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.36$0.00$0.36$0.78$0.45$0.32
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.04$0.00$0.04$0.26$0.27$0.01
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.04$0.00$0.04$0.25$0.32$0.07
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.07$0.00$0.07$0.17$0.23$0.07
2013Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.19$0.00$0.19$0.30$0.22$0.08
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Aug 1, 2022 to Jul 31, 2023
Signed
May 25, 2025
Return Version
2022v5.0
Gross Receipts
$120,189
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Cultural activies and exposure

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
PROVIDE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND EXPOSURE TO THE CITIZENS OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA--
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay84th percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
CARMEN ROBERTSBoard Member-$0--
DELL ROBERTSBoard MemberPT$0--
WANDA SCRUGGSBaord Member-$0--
DANA LOFTONBoard Member-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
The Adrian Dell and Carmen Roberts Foundation
EIN
33-0056607
Address
PO BOX 55604, RIVERSIDE, CA 92517

Signing Officer

Name
Carmen Roberts
Title
Director
Phone
9092135583
Signed
2025-05-25
Discuss with paid preparer
No

Preparer

Firm
GARNETT and GOLD FINANCIAL CORP
Address
3900 MARKET ST SUITE 210, Riverside, CA 92501
Preparer
Monica Hodgson Ea
Phone
9517829177
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

List of grants and similar amounts paid Part I line 10

“Activity EMPOWER YOUNG WOMENS CONFERENCES Grantee VARIOUS Street PO BOX 55604 City, State, Zip RIVERSIDE, CA 92507Relationship VARIOUS SCHOLORSHIP”

Description of other expenses Part I line 16

“Description AmountBUSINESS LICENSE AND PERMIT 937BOOKS SUBSCRIPTIONS REF 175RENTS PARKING AND ULTITILIES 2,690POSTAGE 1,254TELEPHONE 1,370SUPPLIES 3,889OFFICE SUPPLIES 3,557PRINTING AND COPYING 2,898COMPUTER INTERNET WEB 3,551PARKING AND TOLLS 11SPECIAL EVENTS 26,678BACKPACK GIVEAWAY 5,655DONATED MEALS 564EQUIPMENT RENTAL AND MAINTENANCE 4,328TROPHIES AND PLAQUES 1,576SPONSORSHIPS 248GIFTS 1,725INSURANCE 1,225PROGRAM AND OPERATIONAL EXPENSES LISTED.”

Description of other assets Part II line 24

“Category Beginning of Year End of YearFURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT 5,749 12,246INVESTMENT FRANKLIN MF 0 40,000”

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This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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