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Friends of Hamilton Humanities

EIN 26-3144883 • 501(c)3 • Los Angeles, CA

Profile

The primary purpose of the Friends of Hamilton Humanities is to provide educational support to students and staff of the Hamilton High School Humanities Magnet Program

2955 So Robertson BlvdLos Angeles, CA 90034

hamiltonhs-lausd-ca.schoolloop.com

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

71st percentile

0.02x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 71% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

80th percentile

0.07x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 80% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Net Margin

51st percentile

2.1%

Higher net margin than 51% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

56th percentile

0.8%

Faster asset growth than 56% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

77th percentile

29%

Faster revenue growth than 77% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets71st percentile

Assets

Up

$194,312

Up $1,460 (+0.8%) from 2023

Liabilities

Flat

$4,500

Flat from 2023

Net Assets

Up

$189,812

Up $1,460 (+0.8%) from 2023

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue80th percentileNet Margin51st percentile

Revenue

Up

$69,192

Up $15,559 (+29%) from 2023

Expenses

Up

$67,732

Up $20,061 (+42%) from 2023

Net Income

Down

$1,460

Down $4,502 (-76%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth56th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2012: $70,131Net Assets 2012: $70,1312012Assets 2013: $65,608Net Assets 2013: $65,6082013Assets 2015: $86,675Net Assets 2015: $86,6752015Assets 2016: $136,375Net Assets 2016: $136,3752016Assets 2017: $157,501Net Assets 2017: $157,5012017Assets 2018: $151,421Net Assets 2018: $151,4212018Assets 2019: $149,257Net Assets 2019: $149,2572019Assets 2020: $101,746Net Assets 2020: $101,7462020Assets 2021: $110,097Liabilities 2021: $1,156Net Assets 2021: $108,9412021Assets 2022: $182,390Net Assets 2022: $182,3902022Assets 2023: $192,852Liabilities 2023: $4,500Net Assets 2023: $188,3522023Assets 2024: $194,312Liabilities 2024: $4,500Net Assets 2024: $189,8122024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$194,312
Liabilities$4,500
Net Assets$189,812
Open 2024 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth77th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2012: $58,640Expenses 2012: $69,656Net Income 2012: -$11,0162012Revenue 2013: $64,103Expenses 2013: $68,626Net Income 2013: -$4,5232013Revenue 2015: $101,736Expenses 2015: $90,675Net Income 2015: $11,0612015Revenue 2016: $90,430Expenses 2016: $40,730Net Income 2016: $49,7002016Revenue 2017: $100,788Expenses 2017: $79,662Net Income 2017: $21,1262017Revenue 2018: $54,092Expenses 2018: $60,172Net Income 2018: -$6,0802018Revenue 2019: $47,873Expenses 2019: $50,037Net Income 2019: -$2,1642019Revenue 2020: $63,181Expenses 2020: $110,692Net Income 2020: -$47,5112020Revenue 2021: $67,412Expenses 2021: $60,217Net Income 2021: $7,1952021Revenue 2022: $109,013Expenses 2022: $35,564Net Income 2022: $73,4492022Revenue 2023: $53,633Expenses 2023: $47,671Net Income 2023: $5,9622023Revenue 2024: $69,192Expenses 2024: $67,732Net Income 2024: $1,4602024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$69,192
Expenses$67,732
Net Income$1,460
Open 2024 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2024 • Form 990EZXML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.

Open filing
Assets
$194,312
Liabilities
$4,500
Net assets
$189,812
Revenue
$69,192
Expenses
$67,732
Net income
$1,460
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.94$0.05$1.90$0.69$0.68$0.01
2023XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.93$0.05$1.88$0.54$0.48$0.06
2022XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.82$1.82$1.09$0.36$0.73
2021XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.10$0.01$1.09$0.67$0.60$0.07
2020XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.02$1.02$0.63$1.11$0.48
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.49$1.49$0.48$0.50$0.02
2018XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$1.51$1.51$0.54$0.60$0.06
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.58$1.58$1.01$0.80$0.21
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.36$1.36$0.90$0.41$0.50
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.87$0.87$1.02$0.91$0.11
2013Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.66$0.66$0.64$0.69$0.05
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.70$0.70$0.59$0.70$0.11
Latest Detailed Filing

The latest 2024 filing currently has linked XML that has not been fully parsed yet. Showing the latest detailed filing from 2019 below.

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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jul 1, 2018 to Jun 30, 2019
Signed
Sep 12, 2019
Return Version
2018v3.1
Gross Receipts
$69,121
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

The primary purpose of the Friends of Hamilton Humanities is to provide educational support to students and staff of the Hamilton High School Humanities Magnet Program

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
The Friends of Hamilton humanities purchased books and supplies for students,teaching supplies and professional development for teachers, and conductedAdvanced Placement seminars and college counseling for suudents. Inadditon, the organization paid entrance fees and transportation cost foreducation field trips to benefit the 370+ students attending Hamilton HighSchool Humanities Magnet Program.$71,285-
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
Silvia BursteinPresidentPT$0--
David SilvermanVice PresidentPT$0--
Sherry ElghanianTreasurerPT$0--
Deidre LindSecretaryPT$0--
Michael BollingerDirector-$0--
Erin HaendelDirector-$0--
Beth RaananDirector-$0--
Lori BermanDirector-$0--
Fundraising, Events, and Gaming

Fundraising Events

EventGross ReceiptsGross RevenueDirect ExpensesNet Income
BBQ / Bake & T-shirt sales / Souvenirs$21,248$21,248$21,248$0
Total Events$21,248$21,248$21,248-
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Friends of Hamilton Humanities
EIN
26-3144883
Phone
3102801400
Address
2955 So Robertson Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90034

Signing Officer

Name
Sabrina Teiger
Title
President
Signed
2019-09-12
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Cohen Tax & Consulting Inc
Address
16633 Ventura Blvd Suite 1005, Encino, CA 91436
Preparer
Bruce R Ashton CPA
Phone
8188817350
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Other Expenses.1009

“Depreciation $349”

Other Expenses.1

“STaffing Costs $31787”

Other Assets.1003

“Machinery and Equipment - Beginning $872 Machinery and Equipment - Ending $523”

Raw XML Appendix177 raw XML fields

This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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