Civic Intelligence

Project Management Institute

EIN 23-3068963

14 Campus Blvd19073
Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2011

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2011

Net Margin

Score unavailable

No value available

Net margin requires both revenue and expenses on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2011

Top Officer Pay

Score unavailable

No value available

No filing with officer or executive compensation is available for this organization yet.

Asset Growth

12th percentile

-100%

Faster asset growth than 12% of similar nonprofits.

<$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2010 to 2011

Revenue Growth

Score unavailable

No value available

No valid filing value is available for this score.

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / AssetsScore unavailable

Assets

Down

$0

Down $169,126 (-100%) from 2010

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2010

Net Assets

Down

$0

Down $169,126 (-100%) from 2010

Operations
Liabilities / RevenueScore unavailableNet MarginScore unavailable

Revenue

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Expenses

Down

$28,136

Down $293,421 (-91%) from 2010

Net Income

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth12th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2010: $169,126Liabilities 2010: $0Net Assets 2010: $169,1262010Assets 2011: $0Liabilities 2011: $0Net Assets 2011: $02011

Highlighted filing

2011

Assets$0
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$0
Open 2011 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue GrowthScore unavailable

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$400K$300K$200K$100K$0Expenses 2010: $321,5572010Expenses 2011: $28,1362011

Highlighted filing

2011

Revenue-
Expenses$28,136
Net Income-
Open 2011 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2011 • Form 990Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.

Open filing
Assets
$0
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$0
Revenue
-
Expenses
$28,136
Net income
-
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2011Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.00$0.00$0.00$0.28
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.69$0.00$1.69$3.22
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2011 to Dec 31, 2011
Signed
Jun 19, 2012
Return Version
2011v1.2
Gross Receipts
$13,279
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

EIN
23-3068963
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