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The Shenandoah Foundation Inc

EIN 21-0715121 • 501(c)3 • Vineyard Haven, MA

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To insure the future of this landmark vessel and to further the programs allowing its passengers the opportunity to enjoy, live aboard and learn the magic of this experience.

Beach Street Ext PO Box 429Vineyard Haven, MA 02568

www.shenandoahfoundation.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

36th percentile

-5.0%

Higher net margin than 36% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

84th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2019

Asset Growth

40th percentile

-8.4%

Faster asset growth than 40% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

52nd percentile

0.0%

Faster revenue growth than 52% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / Assets59th percentile

Assets

Down

$454

Down $915 (-67%) from 2023

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2023

Net Assets

Down

$454

Down $915 (-67%) from 2023

Operations
Liabilities / Revenue61st percentileNet Margin36th percentile

Revenue

Down

$1,000

Down $1,500 (-60%) from 2023

Expenses

Down

$1,915

Down $710 (-27%) from 2023

Net Income

Down

-$915

Down $790 (-632%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth40th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$100K$50K$0Assets 2010: $84,064Liabilities 2010: $0Net Assets 2010: $84,0642010Assets 2011: $40,182Liabilities 2011: $0Net Assets 2011: $40,1822011Assets 2012: $47,103Liabilities 2012: $0Net Assets 2012: $47,1032012Assets 2013: $21,722Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $21,7222013Assets 2014: $31,836Liabilities 2014: $0Net Assets 2014: $31,8362014Assets 2015: $38,796Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $38,7962015Assets 2016: $46,066Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $46,0662016Assets 2017: $46,849Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $46,8492017Assets 2018: $48,189Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $48,1892018Assets 2019: $44,170Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $44,1702019Assets 2020: $33,025Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $33,0252020Assets 2021: $5,161Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $5,1612021Assets 2022: $1,494Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $1,4942022Assets 2023: $1,369Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $1,3692023Assets 2024: $454Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $4542024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$454
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$454
Open 2024 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth52nd percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2010: $23,492Expenses 2010: $22,480Net Income 2010: $1,0122010Revenue 2011: $11,023Expenses 2011: $56,527Net Income 2011: -$45,5042011Revenue 2012: $21,933Expenses 2012: $14,621Net Income 2012: $7,3122012Revenue 2013: $14,750Expenses 2013: $45,414Net Income 2013: -$30,6642013Revenue 2014: $19,461Expenses 2014: $11,590Net Income 2014: $7,8712014Revenue 2015: $28,712Expenses 2015: $20,185Net Income 2015: $8,5272015Revenue 2016: $44,040Expenses 2016: $39,307Net Income 2016: $4,7332016Revenue 2017: $20,914Expenses 2017: $25,863Net Income 2017: -$4,9492017Revenue 2018: $19,932Expenses 2018: $11,823Net Income 2018: $8,1092018Revenue 2019: $13,641Expenses 2019: $15,780Net Income 2019: -$2,1392019Revenue 2020: $15,417Expenses 2020: $28,682Net Income 2020: -$13,2652020Revenue 2021: $25,990Expenses 2021: $53,854Net Income 2021: -$27,8642021Revenue 2022: $2,500Expenses 2022: $6,167Net Income 2022: -$3,6672022Revenue 2023: $2,500Expenses 2023: $2,625Net Income 2023: -$1252023Revenue 2024: $1,000Expenses 2024: $1,915Net Income 2024: -$9152024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$1,000
Expenses$1,915
Net Income-$915
Open 2024 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2024 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$454
Liabilities
$0
Net assets
$454
Revenue
$1,000
Expenses
$1,915
Net income
-$915
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.45$0.00$0.45$1.00$1.92$0.92
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.37$0.00$1.37$2.50$2.63$0.13
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.49$0.00$1.49$2.50$6.17$3.67
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$5.16$0.00$5.16$26.0$53.9$27.9
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$33.0$0.00$33.0$15.4$28.7$13.3
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$44.2$0.00$44.2$13.6$15.8$2.14
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$48.2$0.00$48.2$19.9$11.8$8.11
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$46.8$0.00$46.8$20.9$25.9$4.95
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$46.1$0.00$46.1$44.0$39.3$4.73
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$38.8$0.00$38.8$28.7$20.2$8.53
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$31.8$0.00$31.8$19.5$11.6$7.87
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$21.7$0.00$21.7$14.8$45.4$30.7
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$47.1$0.00$47.1$21.9$14.6$7.31
2011Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$40.2$0.00$40.2$11.0$56.5$45.5
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$84.1$0.00$84.1$23.5$22.5$1.01
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Apr 30, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.1
Gross Receipts
$1,000
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To insure the future of this landmark vessel and to further the programs allowing its passengers the opportunity to enjoy, live aboard and learn the magic of this experience.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
PRESERVATION OF THIS HISTORIC VESSEL TO ENSURE THE SHENANDOAH REMAINS THE WORLD'S ONLY NON-AUXILIARY SQUARE-TOPSAIL SCHOONER, SAILING AS ONE WOULD DURING THE MID-19TH CENTURY, THE "GOLDEN AGE OF SAIL."$0$0
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay84th percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
ELTON W HALLDirector-$0--
HENRY H DUPONTDirector-$0--
ROBERT S DOUGLASPresident-$0--
JAMIE M DOUGLASTreasurer-$0--
THOMAS LA POINTEClerk-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
The Shenandoah Foundation Inc
EIN
21-0715121
Phone
5086931699
Address
BEACH STREET EXT PO BOX 429, VINEYARD HAVEN, MA 02568

Signing Officer

Name
Robert S Douglas
Title
President
Phone
5086931699
Signed
2025-04-30
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Cbiz Advisors LLC
Address
100 WESTMINSTER STREET SUITE 500, PROVIDENCE, RI 02903
Preparer
David Fontaine
Phone
4016004500
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

“Description: annual report. Amount: 50. Description: bank service charges. Amount: 230. Description: license & permits. Amount: 15. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 295.”

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This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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