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Illinois Agricultural Resources Council Inc

EIN 20-3374637 • 501(c)3 • Ottawa, IL

Profile

SCIENTIFIC & EDUCATIONAL

3131 East 18th RoadOttawa, IL 61350

www.ilarc.org

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2025

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2025

Net Margin

68th percentile

14%

Higher net margin than 68% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2025

Asset Growth

81st percentile

33%

Faster asset growth than 81% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Revenue Growth

70th percentile

18%

Faster revenue growth than 70% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2024 to 2025

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / AssetsScore unavailable

Assets

Up

$37,542

Up $9,233 (+33%) from 2024

Liabilities

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Assets

$37,542

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Operations
Liabilities / RevenueScore unavailableNet Margin68th percentile

Revenue

Up

$67,813

Up $10,295 (+18%) from 2024

Expenses

Down

$58,580

Down $9,958 (-15%) from 2024

Net Income

Up

$9,233

Up $20,253 (+184%) from 2024

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth81st percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$80K$60K$40K$20K$0Assets 2012: $11,426Liabilities 2012: $02012Assets 2013: $15,637Liabilities 2013: $02013Assets 2014: $21,098Liabilities 2014: $02014Assets 2015: $15,674Liabilities 2015: $02015Assets 2016: $22,431Liabilities 2016: $02016Assets 2017: $10,171Liabilities 2017: $02017Assets 2018: $16,438Liabilities 2018: $02018Assets 2019: $54,989Liabilities 2019: $02019Assets 2020: $79,272Liabilities 2020: $02020Assets 2021: $26,792Liabilities 2021: $02021Assets 2022: $21,701Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $21,7012022Assets 2023: $39,329Net Assets 2023: $39,3292023Assets 2024: $28,309Liabilities 2024: $02024Assets 2025: $37,542Net Assets 2025: $37,5422025

Highlighted filing

2025

Assets$37,542
Liabilities-
Net Assets$37,542
Open 2025 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth70th percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50K-$100KRevenue 2012: $14,107Expenses 2012: $5,865Net Income 2012: $8,2422012Revenue 2013: $21,955Expenses 2013: $17,744Net Income 2013: $4,2112013Revenue 2014: $30,500Expenses 2014: $25,039Net Income 2014: $5,4612014Revenue 2015: $29,000Expenses 2015: $34,423Net Income 2015: -$5,4232015Revenue 2016: $38,325Expenses 2016: $31,569Net Income 2016: $6,7562016Revenue 2017: $30,641Expenses 2017: $42,901Net Income 2017: -$12,2602017Revenue 2018: $34,255Expenses 2018: $27,988Net Income 2018: $6,2672018Revenue 2019: $120,417Expenses 2019: $81,866Net Income 2019: $38,5512019Revenue 2020: $110,991Expenses 2020: $86,708Net Income 2020: $24,2832020Revenue 2021: $40,674Expenses 2021: $93,154Net Income 2021: -$52,4802021Revenue 2022: $12,712Expenses 2022: $17,803Net Income 2022: -$5,0912022Revenue 2023: $59,863Expenses 2023: $42,235Net Income 2023: $17,6282023Revenue 2024: $57,518Expenses 2024: $68,538Net Income 2024: -$11,0202024Revenue 2025: $67,813Expenses 2025: $58,580Net Income 2025: $9,2332025

Highlighted filing

2025

Revenue$67,813
Expenses$58,580
Net Income$9,233
Open 2025 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2025 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$37,542
Liabilities
-
Net assets
$37,542
Revenue
$67,813
Expenses
$58,580
Net income
$9,233
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2025Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.38$0.38$0.68$0.59$0.09
2024Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.28$0.00$0.58$0.69$0.11
2023XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.39$0.39$0.60$0.42$0.18
2022XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$0.22$0.00$0.22$0.13$0.18$0.05
2021Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.27$0.00$0.41$0.93$0.52
2020Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.79$0.00$1.11$0.87$0.24
2019Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.55$0.00$1.20$0.82$0.39
2018Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.16$0.00$0.34$0.28$0.06
2017Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.10$0.00$0.31$0.43$0.12
2016Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.22$0.00$0.38$0.32$0.07
2015Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.16$0.00$0.29$0.34$0.05
2014Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.21$0.00$0.31$0.25$0.05
2013Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.16$0.00$0.22$0.18$0.04
2012Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$0.11$0.00$0.14$0.06$0.08
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Feb 1, 2024 to Jan 31, 2025
Signed
Jun 2, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.1
Gross Receipts
$67,813
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

SCIENTIFIC & EDUCATIONAL

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
GRANT TO WOMEN CHANGING THE FACE OF AGRICULTURE CAREER DISCOVER EVENT-$46,466
SCHOLARSHIPS FOR AGENTS OF CHANGE-$5,000
PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOPS (75 WOMEN)-$2,400
ILLINOIS FFA SCIENCE FAIR-$2,000
AG EDUCATION SCHOLARSHIP-$1,500
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
KRISTA ROBERTSONPresidentPT$0--
KATIE BETZVice PresidentPT$0--
HALEY UNDERWOODSecretaryPT$0--
NATHALIE SCHMIDTTreasurerPT$0--
PENNY LAURITZENPast PresidentPT$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Illinois Agricultural Resources Council
EIN
20-3374637
Phone
8155354141
Address
3131 EAST 18TH ROAD, OTTAWA, IL 61350

Signing Officer

Name
Penny Lauritzen
Title
Past President
Signed
2025-06-02
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Illinois Fbfm Assntuscola
Address
900 S Washington Suite B, Tuscola, IL 61953
Preparer
Krista Robertson
Phone
2172535227
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Other Revenue.1

“IAW FEE TRANSFER $570”

Grants and Similar Amounts Paid In Excess of $5,000.1

“| Donee's Name: WOMEN CHANGING THE FACE OF AGIRCULTURE | Cash Amount Given: $46466”

Other Expenses.1012

“Insurance $1174”

Other Expenses.1

“IL LICENSE FEES $25”

Other Expenses.2

“PAYPAL FEES $15”

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This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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