Liabilities / Assets
44th percentile
Higher debt load relative to assets than 44% of similar nonprofits.
EIN 16-1477355 • 501(c)3 • Syracuse, NY
Profile
The primary mission is to enhance the research and training efforts of basic and clincial vision scientists. Secondary objectives are to facilitate collaborative studies within the community and attract other vision scientists to it.
Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.
Liabilities / Assets
44th percentile
Higher debt load relative to assets than 44% of similar nonprofits.
Liabilities / Revenue
38th percentile
Higher debt load relative to revenue than 38% of similar nonprofits.
Net Margin
76th percentile
Higher net margin than 76% of similar nonprofits.
Top Officer Pay
76th percentile
Higher top officer pay than 76% of similar nonprofits.
Top officer pay equals 13.4% of source-year revenue.
Asset Growth
80th percentile
Faster asset growth than 80% of similar nonprofits.
Revenue Growth
83rd percentile
Faster revenue growth than 83% of similar nonprofits.
Assets
Up$4,022,130
Up $950,880 (+31%) from 2020
Liabilities
Up$719,840
Up $251,534 (+54%) from 2020
Net Assets
Up$3,302,290
Up $699,346 (+27%) from 2020
Revenue
Up$6,081,259
Up $1,702,548 (+39%) from 2020
Expenses
Up$4,996,321
Up $1,325,721 (+36%) from 2020
Net Income
Up$1,084,938
Up $376,827 (+53%) from 2020
Most recent year
2021 • Form 990Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.
The primary mission is to enhance the research and training efforts of basic and clincial vision scientists. Secondary objectives are to facilitate collaborative studies within the community and attract other vision scientists to it.
| Line | Beginning | End | Change |
|---|---|---|---|
| Assets | |||
| Rtn Earn Endowment Incm Other Fnds | $2,602,944 | $3,302,290 | ▲ $699,346 |
| Cash and Non-Interest-Bearing Accounts | $2,116,729 | $2,933,577 | ▲ $816,848 |
| Investments in Publicly Traded Securities | $643,614 | $651,816 | ▲ $8,202 |
| Accounts Receivable | $70,399 | $277,601 | ▲ $207,202 |
| Prepaid Expenses and Deferred Charges | $55,514 | $55,009 | ▼ $505 |
| Land, Buildings, and Equipment, Net | $1,770 | $4,078 | ▲ $2,308 |
| Pd in Cap Srpls Land Bldg Eqp Fund | $0 | $0 | → $0 |
| Cap Stk Tr Prin Current Funds | $0 | $0 | → $0 |
| Total Assets | $3,071,250 | $4,022,130 | ▲ $950,880 |
| Other Assets Total | $183,224 | $100,049 | ▼ $83,175 |
| Liabilities | |||
| Other Liabilities | $447,140 | $709,966 | ▲ $262,826 |
| Accounts Payable and Accrued Expenses | $21,166 | $9,874 | ▼ $11,292 |
| Deferred Revenue | - | $0 | - |
| Total Liabilities | $468,306 | $719,840 | ▲ $251,534 |
| Net Assets / Fund Balance | |||
| Total Net Assets Fund Balance | $2,602,944 | $3,302,290 | ▲ $699,346 |
| Total Liabilities and Net Assets / Fund Balance | $3,071,250 | $4,022,130 | ▲ $950,880 |
| Asset | Book Value | Depreciation | Basis |
|---|---|---|---|
| Equipment | $4,078 | $1,770 | $5,848 |
| Name | Title | Full / Part Time | Base | Other | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Samuel Alpert | Treasurer | FT | $227,852 | $391,043 | $618,895 |
| Robert Fechtner | President | PT | $270,000 | $156,103 | $426,103 |
| Robert Swan | Secretary | PT | $140,363 | $225,236 | $365,599 |
| Line Item | Amount |
|---|---|
| Salaries, Compensation, and Employee Benefits | $2,774,880 |
| Other Expenses | $2,221,441 |
| Grants and Similar Amounts Paid | $0 |
| Professional Fundraising Fees | $0 |
| Total Fundraising Expense | $0 |
| Line Item | Program | Management | Fundraising | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Current Officers, Directors, Trustees, and Key Employees | $1,410,599 | - | - | $1,410,599 |
| Other Salaries and Wages | $1,340,395 | - | - | $1,340,395 |
| Fees for Services Other | - | $194,816 | - | $194,816 |
| Other Expenses | $70,106 | - | - | $70,106 |
| Insurance | $64,100 | $3,343 | - | $67,443 |
| All Other Expenses | $46,642 | $8,449 | - | $55,091 |
| Travel | $39,974 | - | - | $39,974 |
| Office Expenses | - | $33,777 | - | $33,777 |
| Other Employee Benefits | $23,886 | - | - | $23,886 |
| Fees for Services Legal | - | $10,570 | - | $10,570 |
| Conferences and Meetings | $9,591 | - | - | $9,591 |
| Occupancy | - | $5,170 | - | $5,170 |
| Fees for Services Accounting | - | $2,350 | - | $2,350 |
| Advertising | - | $681 | - | $681 |
| Depreciation Depletion | - | $590 | - | $590 |
| Interest | - | $109 | - | $109 |
| Total Functional Expenses | $4,736,466 | $259,855 | $0 | $4,996,321 |
| Line Item | Amount |
|---|---|
| Professional Fundraising Fees | $0 |
| Liability | Amount |
|---|---|
| Due to Upstate - Provide | $496,769 |
| Deferred Revenue | $90,296 |
| Due to Upstate - Staffin | $56,414 |
| Due to Upstate Foundation - Cao | $55,406 |
| Due to Upstate Medical Associates | $11,081 |
“A copy of form 990 was provided to the governing board for their review and approval prior to filing.”
“All information is provided to the public upon request.”
“Modified accrual to cash adjustment -385,592.”
“The process has not been changed from prior years.”
This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.
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| IRS990ScheduleJ/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 0 | THREE TIMES ANNUALLY, AT APRIL 30TH, AUGUST 31ST AND DECEMBER 31ST, IF A PROJECTED YEAR END OPERATING MARGIN/PROFIT IS REFLECTED IN THE INCOME STATEMENT AND THE CASH POSITION ALLOWS FOR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY (120) DAYS CASH ON HAND OVER ANY RESERVED DEBT OBLIGATIONS. THE CHAIR BY WAY OF A CONSENSUS VOTE AMONGST MSG OFFICERS MAY APPROVE A PORTION OF THE OPERATING CASH TO BE DISTRIBUTED AS INCENTIVE COMPENSATION. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE GOALS FOR PHYSICIANS. |
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| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 2 | MODIFIED ACCRUAL TO CASH ADJUSTMENT -385,592. |
| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/ExplanationTxt | 3 | THE PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED FROM PRIOR YEARS. |
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| IRS990ScheduleO/SupplementalInformationDetail/FormAndLineReferenceDesc | 3 | PART XII LINE 2C EXPLANATION |
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