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Adirondack 46R Conservation Trust

EIN 14-6179116 • 501(c)3 • Windham, ME

Profile

To encourage,advance and promote the responsible use,development and management of those lands commonly known and designated as the "Adirondack Park" and to aid,advance and promote the conservation and preservation of that portion of the New York State Forest Preserve situate within the said "Adirondack Park" as wild forest lands.

PO Box 2018Windham, ME 04062

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Net Margin

22nd percentile

-23%

Higher net margin than 22% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

94th percentile

$54,000

Higher top officer pay than 94% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 45.8% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

44th percentile

-5.8%

Faster asset growth than 44% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

12th percentile

-71%

Faster revenue growth than 12% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Assets

Down

$451,390

Down $27,631 (-5.8%) from 2023

Liabilities

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Assets

Down

$451,390

Down $27,631 (-5.8%) from 2023

Revenue

Down

$117,856

Down $289,185 (-71%) from 2023

Expenses

Up

$145,487

Up $22,650 (+18%) from 2023

Net Income

Down

-$27,631

Down $311,835 (-110%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$600K$400K$200K$0Assets 2010: $344,650Liabilities 2010: $0Net Assets 2010: $344,6502010Assets 2011: $345,547Liabilities 2011: $0Net Assets 2011: $345,5472011Assets 2012: $366,181Net Assets 2012: $366,1812012Assets 2013: $357,181Net Assets 2013: $357,1812013Assets 2014: $295,005Net Assets 2014: $295,0052014Assets 2015: $286,485Net Assets 2015: $286,4852015Assets 2016: $286,042Net Assets 2016: $286,0422016Assets 2017: $326,485Liabilities 2017: $02017Assets 2018: $294,329Net Assets 2018: $294,3292018Assets 2019: $317,906Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $317,9062019Assets 2020: $278,665Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $278,6652020Assets 2021: $273,847Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $273,8472021Assets 2022: $194,817Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $194,8172022Assets 2023: $479,021Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $479,0212023Assets 2024: $451,390Net Assets 2024: $451,3902024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$451,390
Liabilities-
Net Assets$451,390

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$600K$400K$200K$0-$200KExpenses 2010: $10,0782010Revenue 2011: $32,080Expenses 2011: $22,490Net Income 2011: $9,5902011Revenue 2012: $67,532Expenses 2012: $46,898Net Income 2012: $20,6342012Revenue 2013: $76,072Expenses 2013: $85,072Net Income 2013: -$9,0002013Revenue 2014: $49,821Expenses 2014: $111,997Net Income 2014: -$62,1762014Revenue 2015: $32,482Expenses 2015: $41,002Net Income 2015: -$8,5202015Revenue 2016: $35,524Expenses 2016: $35,967Net Income 2016: -$4432016Revenue 2017: $52,117Expenses 2017: $39,316Net Income 2017: $12,8012017Revenue 2018: $43,385Expenses 2018: $47,570Net Income 2018: -$4,1852018Revenue 2019: $43,365Expenses 2019: $60,004Net Income 2019: -$16,6392019Revenue 2020: $5,152Expenses 2020: $44,393Net Income 2020: -$39,2412020Revenue 2021: $43,861Expenses 2021: $49,629Net Income 2021: -$5,7682021Revenue 2022: $42,229Expenses 2022: $121,259Net Income 2022: -$79,0302022Revenue 2023: $407,041Expenses 2023: $122,837Net Income 2023: $284,2042023Revenue 2024: $117,856Expenses 2024: $145,487Net Income 2024: -$27,6312024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$117,856
Expenses$145,487
Net Income-$27,631

Filings

Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$4.51$4.51$1.18$1.45$0.28
2023Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$4.79$0.00$4.79$4.07$1.23$2.84
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.95$0.00$1.95$0.42$1.21$0.79
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.74$0.00$2.74$0.44$0.50$0.06
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.79$0.00$2.79$0.05$0.44$0.39
2019XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$3.18$0.00$3.18$0.43$0.60$0.17
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.94$2.94$0.43$0.48$0.04
2017Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$3.26$0.00$0.52$0.39$0.13
2016XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$2.86$2.86$0.36$0.36$0.00
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.86$2.86$0.32$0.41$0.09
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$2.95$2.95$0.50$1.12$0.62
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$3.57$3.57$0.76$0.85$0.09
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$3.66$3.66$0.68$0.47$0.21
2011Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$3.46$0.00$3.46$0.32$0.22$0.10
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$3.45$0.00$3.45$0.10
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Oct 31, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.0
Gross Receipts
$117,856
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To encourage,advance and promote the responsible use,development and management of those lands commonly known and designated as the "Adirondack Park" and to aid,advance and promote the conservation and preservation of that portion of the New York State Forest Preserve situate within the said "Adirondack Park" as wild forest lands.

Advance and promote public knowledge, understanding and appreciation of the unique history, literature, folklore, traditions, and cultural heritage associated with wilderness adventuring and outdoor recreation in the adirondack high peaks region of new york state, mountain climbing in the adirondack high peaks wilderness, and the history and common experience of the persons who have climbed the 46 high peaks.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
ADVANCE AND PROMOTE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING AND APPRECIATION OF THE UNIQUE HISTORY, LITERATURE, FOLKLORE, TRADITIONS, AND CULTURAL HERITAGE ASSOCIATED WITH WILDERNESS ADVENTURING AND OUTDOOR RECREATION IN THE ADIRONDACK HIGH PEAKS REGION OF NEW YORK STATE, MOUNTAIN CLIMBING IN THE ADIRONDACK HIGH PEAKS WILDERNESS, AND THE HISTORY AND COMMON EXPERIENCE OF THE PERSONS WHO HAVE CLIMBED THE 46 HIGH PEAKS.-$110,439
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
L JOHN VAN NORDENTrusteeFT$54,000-$54,000
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Grace Hudowalski Charitable Trust
EIN
14-6179116
Phone
2074005224
Address
PO BOX 2018, WINDHAM, ME 04062

Signing Officer

Name
L John Van Norden
Title
Trustee
Phone
2074005224
Signed
2025-10-31
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
The Swanson Group LLC
Address
838 MAIN STREET, WESTBROOK, ME 04092-2847
Preparer
James C Mccallum CPA
Phone
2073703490
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16

Expenses advertising 6,553 information technology 3,777 insurance 101 grants 29,750 event expense 622 supplies 5,209 misc 917 conference 46 research 3,879 storage 851 mileage and parking 6,657 meals 2,887 hotel and lodging 8,443 production costs 135 vendor fees 208 investment expense 4,942 postage 458 equipment rental 2,097 accounting 9,000 annual report 125 office expense 74 centennial 45 speakers 2,657 non-investment depreciation 2,054 total 91,487

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24

Inventories for sale or use 23,413 20,077 10,083 12,340 less accumulated depreciation 1,506 3,560 total 31,990 28,857

Form 990-ez, Part III

Advance and promote public knowledge, understanding and appreciation of the unique history, literature, folklore, traditions, and cultural heritage associated with wilderness adventuring and outdoor recreation in the adirondack high peaks region of new york state, mountain climbing in the adirondack high peaks wilderness, and the history and common experience of the persons who have climbed the 46 high peaks.

Form 990-ez, Part III, Line 28

Advance and promote public knowledge, understanding and appreciation of the unique history, literature, folklore, traditions, and cultural heritage associated with wilderness adventuring and outdoor recreation in the adirondack high peaks region of new york state, mountain climbing in the adirondack high peaks wilderness, and the history and common experience of the persons who have climbed the 46 high peaks.

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This appendix keeps the raw XML leaves available for debugging and edge-case review. The human report above is the primary experience.

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