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Aviva Players Company Inc

EIN 13-3598703 • 501(c)3 • New York, NY

Profile

Since 1975, the aviva players research, present & cast musicians & singers to perform and promote chamber music and songs by women composers of the 12th through 21st centuries.

30 Fifth Ave 11th FloorNew York, NY 10011

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

NTEE A99 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Net Margin

Score unavailable

No value available

Net margin requires both revenue and expenses on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

80th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 80% of similar nonprofits.

NTEE A99 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

48th percentile

0.0%

Faster asset growth than 48% of similar nonprofits.

NTEE A99 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

Score unavailable

No value available

No valid filing value is available for this score.

Assets

Flat

$7,411

Flat from 2023

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2023

Net Assets

Flat

$7,411

Flat from 2023

Revenue

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Expenses

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Income

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$60K$40K$20K$0Assets 2009: $50,689Liabilities 2009: $02009Assets 2010: $53,679Liabilities 2010: $02010Assets 2011: $49,961Liabilities 2011: $02011Assets 2012: $39,302Liabilities 2012: $02012Assets 2013: $36,778Liabilities 2013: $02013Assets 2014: $43,659Liabilities 2014: $02014Assets 2015: $38,493Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $38,4932015Assets 2016: $22,695Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $22,6952016Assets 2017: $25,717Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $25,7172017Assets 2018: $17,464Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $17,4642018Assets 2019: $8,733Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $8,7332019Assets 2020: $7,441Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $7,4412020Assets 2021: $7,414Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $7,4142021Assets 2022: $7,411Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $7,4112022Assets 2023: $7,411Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $7,4112023Assets 2024: $7,411Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $7,4112024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$7,411
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$7,411

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$20K$10K$0-$10K-$20KRevenue 2009: $10,830Expenses 2009: $7,338Net Income 2009: $3,4922009Revenue 2010: $11,790Expenses 2010: $8,800Net Income 2010: $2,9902010Revenue 2011: $1,100Expenses 2011: $4,819Net Income 2011: -$3,7192011Revenue 2012: $750Expenses 2012: $11,409Net Income 2012: -$10,6592012Revenue 2013: $1,101Expenses 2013: $3,625Net Income 2013: -$2,5242013Revenue 2014: $10,501Expenses 2014: $3,620Net Income 2014: $6,8812014Revenue 2015: $2,500Expenses 2015: $7,666Net Income 2015: -$5,1662015Revenue 2016: $2,210Expenses 2016: $18,008Net Income 2016: -$15,7982016Revenue 2017: $5,680Expenses 2017: $2,658Net Income 2017: $3,0222017Revenue 2018: $3,567Expenses 2018: $11,820Net Income 2018: -$8,2532018Revenue 2019: $0Expenses 2019: $8,731Net Income 2019: -$8,7312019Revenue 2020: $680Expenses 2020: $1,972Net Income 2020: -$1,2922020Revenue 2021: $0Expenses 2021: $25Net Income 2021: -$252021Revenue 2022: $0Expenses 2022: $3Net Income 2022: -$32022Revenue 2023: $0Expenses 2023: $0Net Income 2023: $02023

Latest loaded filing

2023

Revenue$0
Expenses$0
Net Income$0

Filings

Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$7.41$0.00$7.41
2023Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$7.41$0.00$7.41$0.00$0.00$0.00
2022Import issue. A filing source exists for this year, but detailed import did not complete cleanly.$7.41$0.00$7.41$0.00$0.00$0.00
2021XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$7.41$0.00$7.41$0.00$0.03$0.03
2020Import issue. A filing source exists for this year, but detailed import did not complete cleanly.$7.44$0.00$7.44$0.68$1.97$1.29
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$8.73$0.00$8.73$0.00$8.73$8.73
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$17.5$0.00$17.5$3.57$11.8$8.25
2017XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$25.7$0.00$25.7$5.68$2.66$3.02
2016Import issue. A filing source exists for this year, but detailed import did not complete cleanly.$22.7$0.00$22.7$2.21$18.0$15.8
2015XML pending. An XML filing is linked for this year, but detailed extraction is still pending.$38.5$0.00$38.5$2.50$7.67$5.17
2014Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$43.7$0.00$10.5$3.62$6.88
2013Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$36.8$0.00$1.10$3.63$2.52
2012Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$39.3$0.00$0.75$11.4$10.7
2011Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$50.0$0.00$1.10$4.82$3.72
2010Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$53.7$0.00$11.8$8.80$2.99
2009Summary only. Only limited summary data is available for this year.$50.7$0.00$10.8$7.34$3.49
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jul 1, 2023 to Jun 30, 2024
Signed
May 13, 2025
Return Version
2023v6.0
Gross Receipts
$0
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

Since 1975, the aviva players research, present & cast musicians & singers to perform and promote chamber music and songs by women composers of the 12th through 21st centuries.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
SINCE 1975, THE AVIVA PLAYERS RESEARCH, PRESENT & CAST MUSICIANS & SINGERS TO PERFORM AND PROMOTE CHAMBER MUSIC AND SONGS BY WOMEN COMPOSERS OF THE 12TH THROUGH 21ST CENTURIES.$0$0
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
ANNE PHILLIPSBoard Member-$0--
BARBARA AMESConcert Manager-$0--
BARBARA EUBANKSBoard Member-$0--
BILL KRAKAUERBoard Member-$0--
BRIAN HUNTERBoard Member-$0--
CAROLYN BALDUCCIAssociate Director-$0--
DOLORES KARLBoard Member-$0--
JULIE MANDELConcert Manager-$0--
MARA WALDMANBoard Member-$0--
NORA LONDONAdvisor-$0--
PAULA OREKBoard Member-$0--
PETER MOMMERSTreasurer-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Aviva Players Company Inc
EIN
13-3598703
Phone
5164294618
Address
30 FIFTH AVE 11TH FLOOR, NEW YORK, NY 10011

Signing Officer

Name
Charline Spektor
Title
President
Phone
5164294618
Signed
2025-05-13
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Cbiz Advisors LLC
Address
1065 AVENUE OF THE AMERICAS, NEW YORK, NY 10018
Preparer
Adam Dauber
Phone
2127905700
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