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Mulberry Manor Inc

EIN 06-1772101 • 501(c)3 • Huntington, WV

Profile

To provide safe and affordable housing to low income, mentally ill individuals

5600 Rte 60 EastHuntington, WV 25705

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

63rd percentile

0.07x

Higher debt load relative to assets than 63% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • $500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2023

Liabilities / Revenue

90th percentile

0.75x

Higher debt load relative to revenue than 90% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • $500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2023

Net Margin

25th percentile

-9.1%

Higher net margin than 25% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • $500k-$1M nonprofits • Source year 2023

Top Officer Pay

Score unavailable

No value available

No filing with officer rows is available for this organization yet.

Asset Growth

36th percentile

-1.6%

Faster asset growth than 36% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • $500k-$1M nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Revenue Growth

81st percentile

43%

Faster revenue growth than 81% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • $500k-$1M nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2023

Assets

Down

$499,464

Down $11,489 (-2.2%) from 2023

Liabilities

Down

$22,977

Down $11,819 (-34%) from 2023

Net Assets

Up

$476,487

Up $330 (+0.1%) from 2023

Revenue

Up

$57,290

Up $11,163 (+24%) from 2023

Expenses

Up

$56,960

Up $6,650 (+13%) from 2023

Net Income

Up

$330

Up $4,513 (+108%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$800K$600K$400K$200K$0Assets 2012: $642,754Liabilities 2012: $195,954Net Assets 2012: $446,8002012Assets 2013: $664,848Liabilities 2013: $198,710Net Assets 2013: $466,1382013Assets 2014: $645,856Liabilities 2014: $170,421Net Assets 2014: $475,4352014Assets 2015: $634,988Liabilities 2015: $176,057Net Assets 2015: $458,9312015Assets 2016: $620,906Liabilities 2016: $33,483Net Assets 2016: $587,4232016Assets 2017: $613,966Liabilities 2017: $42,517Net Assets 2017: $571,4492017Assets 2018: $593,814Liabilities 2018: $38,408Net Assets 2018: $555,4062018Assets 2019: $573,082Liabilities 2019: $24,946Net Assets 2019: $548,1362019Assets 2020: $553,494Liabilities 2020: $27,853Net Assets 2020: $525,6412020Assets 2021: $536,394Liabilities 2021: $33,494Net Assets 2021: $502,9002021Assets 2022: $519,452Liabilities 2022: $39,112Net Assets 2022: $480,3402022Assets 2023: $510,953Liabilities 2023: $34,796Net Assets 2023: $476,1572023Assets 2024: $499,464Liabilities 2024: $22,977Net Assets 2024: $476,4872024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$499,464
Liabilities$22,977
Net Assets$476,487

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2012: $6,003Expenses 2012: $16,903Net Income 2012: -$10,9002012Revenue 2013: $23,655Expenses 2013: $37,753Net Income 2013: -$14,0982013Revenue 2014: $24,353Expenses 2014: $44,947Net Income 2014: -$20,5942014Revenue 2015: $24,660Expenses 2015: $41,164Net Income 2015: -$16,5042015Revenue 2016: $22,250Expenses 2016: $42,730Net Income 2016: -$20,4802016Revenue 2017: $47,555Expenses 2017: $63,529Net Income 2017: -$15,9742017Revenue 2018: $45,447Expenses 2018: $61,490Net Income 2018: -$16,0432018Revenue 2019: $54,732Expenses 2019: $62,002Net Income 2019: -$7,2702019Revenue 2020: $39,052Expenses 2020: $61,547Net Income 2020: -$22,4952020Revenue 2021: $31,416Expenses 2021: $54,157Net Income 2021: -$22,7412021Revenue 2022: $32,314Expenses 2022: $54,874Net Income 2022: -$22,5602022Revenue 2023: $46,127Expenses 2023: $50,310Net Income 2023: -$4,1832023Revenue 2024: $57,290Expenses 2024: $56,960Net Income 2024: $3302024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$57,290
Expenses$56,960
Net Income$330

Filings

Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jul 1, 2023 to Jun 30, 2024
Signed
Apr 25, 2025
Return Version
2023v6.0
Gross Receipts
$57,290
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To provide safe and affordable housing to low income, mentally ill individuals

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
THE ORGANIZATION OWNS AND OPERATES A SIX UNIT COMPLEX FOR LOW-INCOME DISABLED INDIVIDUALS. ALL EXPENSES ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE FACILITY.-$40,345
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
DEBBIE STEPHENSChair-$0--
CRAIG ZAPPINVice-Chair-$0--
KRISTIE MOTLEYTreasurer-$0--
WILLIAM MULLETTSecretary-$0--
FRANK MARKUNMember-$0--
JEANETTE BARKER-PERDUEMember-$0--
LISA ZAPPIAMember-$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Mulberry Manor Inc
EIN
06-1772101
Phone
3045257851
Address
5600 RTE 60 EAST, HUNTINGTON, WV 25705

Signing Officer

Name
Kristie Motley
Title
Treasurer
Phone
3043991114
Signed
2025-04-25
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Ellis & Ellis Pllc
Address
500 VIRGINIA ST E STE 1000, CHARLESTON, WV 25301
Preparer
Kimberly K Williams
Phone
3043424169
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16

Expenses postage 95 office 3,575 travel/training 466 conventions & meetings 84 miscellaneous taxes 25 bank fees 276 background checks 28 bad debts 585 non-investment depreciation 14,682 total 19,816

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24

Accounts receivable 66 39 tenant security deposit 2,306 2,307 replacement reserves 28,713 28,218 total 31,085 30,564

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 26

Accounts payable and accrued expenses 33,863 17,554 deferred revenue 80 4,433 tenant security deposits 847 983 tenant security deposit inter 6 7

Form 990-ez, Part III

To provide safe and affordable housing to low income, mentally ill individuals

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