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Flanders Fire Department Incorporated

EIN 06-1101530 • 501(c)3 • East Lyme, CT

Profile

To provide volunteer fire and ambulance services to the community.

151 Boston Post RoadEast Lyme, CT 06333

flandersfiredept.com

Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

59th percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

61st percentile

0.00x

Tied with the lowest-debt nonprofits in its peer group.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Net Margin

89th percentile

48%

Higher net margin than 89% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

84th percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 84% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

74th percentile

16%

Faster asset growth than 74% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Revenue Growth

23rd percentile

-34%

Faster revenue growth than 23% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2023 to 2024

Assets

Up

$131,587

Up $18,540 (+16%) from 2023

Liabilities

Flat

$0

Flat from 2023

Net Assets

Up

$131,587

Up $18,540 (+16%) from 2023

Revenue

Down

$38,888

Down $19,868 (-34%) from 2023

Expenses

Down

$20,348

Down $41,103 (-67%) from 2023

Net Income

Up

$18,540

Up $21,235 (+788%) from 2023

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2015: $116,427Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $116,4272015Assets 2016: $131,974Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $131,9742016Assets 2017: $152,582Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $152,5822017Assets 2018: $151,210Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $151,2102018Assets 2019: $157,166Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $157,1662019Assets 2020: $151,742Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $151,7422020Assets 2021: $123,856Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $123,8562021Assets 2022: $115,742Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $115,7422022Assets 2023: $113,047Liabilities 2023: $0Net Assets 2023: $113,0472023Assets 2024: $131,587Liabilities 2024: $0Net Assets 2024: $131,5872024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$131,587
Liabilities$0
Net Assets$131,587

Operations Trend

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$300K$200K$100K$0-$100KRevenue 2015: $52,909Expenses 2015: $58,315Net Income 2015: -$5,4062015Revenue 2016: $251,946Expenses 2016: $236,399Net Income 2016: $15,5472016Revenue 2017: $73,610Expenses 2017: $53,002Net Income 2017: $20,6082017Revenue 2018: $55,364Expenses 2018: $56,736Net Income 2018: -$1,3722018Revenue 2019: $55,806Expenses 2019: $49,850Net Income 2019: $5,9562019Revenue 2020: $38,822Expenses 2020: $44,246Net Income 2020: -$5,4242020Revenue 2021: $55,886Expenses 2021: $83,772Net Income 2021: -$27,8862021Revenue 2022: $45,974Expenses 2022: $54,088Net Income 2022: -$8,1142022Revenue 2023: $58,756Expenses 2023: $61,451Net Income 2023: -$2,6952023Revenue 2024: $38,888Expenses 2024: $20,348Net Income 2024: $18,5402024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$38,888
Expenses$20,348
Net Income$18,540

Filings

Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
May 5, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.1
Gross Receipts
$39,250
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To provide volunteer fire and ambulance services to the community.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
TO ASSIST THE FIRE COMPANY MEMBERSHIP IN CARRYING OUT IT'S INTENDED PURPOSE OF PROVIDING VOLUNTEER FIRE AND AMBULANCE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.$0$0
Compensation and Service Providers

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
KENDALL JANUSPresidentPT$0--
DAVID CABIGTINGFinancial SecretaryPT$0--
DAVID BAERVice PresidentPT$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Flanders Fire Department Incorporated
EIN
06-1101530
Phone
8607396968
Address
151 BOSTON POST ROAD, EAST LYME, CT 06333

Signing Officer

Name
David Cabigting
Title
Financial Secretary
Phone
8607396968
Signed
2025-05-05
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Timothy S Ashburner CPA
Address
758 BOSWELL AVE, NORWICH, CT 06360
Phone
8608861483
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 4 - Other Investment Income

Description: interest income. Amount: 59.

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 7 - Sales of Inventory

Income: gross receipts: 696. Returns and allowances: 0. Less cost of goods sold: 362. Gross profit: 334. Cost of goods sold: inventory at beginning of year: 0. Merchandise purchased: 362. Cost of labor: 0. Materials and supplies: 0. Other costs: 0. Inventory at end of year: 0. Cost of goods sold: 362.

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 14

Description: depreciation. Amount: 6,691. Description: other expenses. Amount: 2,180. Total to form 990-ez, line 14: 8,871.

Form 990-ez, Part I, Line 16 - Other Expenses

Description: supplies. Amount: 2,854. Description: sickness gifts. Amount: 945. Description: miscelleaneous. Amount: 447. Description: bond insurance. Amount: 149. Description: office. Amount: 1,904. Description: dues & subscriptions. Amount: 315. Total to form 990-ez, line 16: 6,614.

Form 990-ez, Part II, Line 24 - Other Assets

Description: other depreciable assets. Beg. Of year amount: 32,087. End of year amount: 25,396.

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