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Winthrop Charities Trust

EIN 04-3482791 • 501(c)3 • Winthrop, MA

Profile

To provide equipment for special needs programs such as the special olympics. To provide sporting equipment for underpriviliged children and financial support to organizations providing medical assistance.

28 Thornton StreetWinthrop, MA 02152

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Siviq Scores

Precomputed percentiles relative to similar nonprofits. These scores are descriptive rather than judgmental.

Liabilities / Assets

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-assets requires both liabilities and assets on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Liabilities / Revenue

Score unavailable

No value available

Liabilities-to-revenue requires both liabilities and revenue on the latest valid filing.

Source year 2024

Net Margin

75th percentile

21%

Higher net margin than 75% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Top Officer Pay

81st percentile

$0

Higher top officer pay than 81% of similar nonprofits.

Top officer pay equals 0.0% of source-year revenue.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Source year 2024

Asset Growth

59th percentile

2.5%

Faster asset growth than 59% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2024

Revenue Growth

41st percentile

-11%

Faster revenue growth than 41% of similar nonprofits.

501(c)3 • <$500k nonprofits • Annualized from 2022 to 2024

Balance Sheet
Liabilities / AssetsScore unavailable

Assets

Up

$194,238

Up $9,538 (+5.2%) from 2022

Liabilities

-

No earlier filing loaded for comparison.

Net Assets

Up

$194,238

Up $9,538 (+5.2%) from 2022

Operations
Liabilities / RevenueScore unavailableNet Margin75th percentile

Revenue

Down

$92,907

Down $25,155 (-21%) from 2022

Expenses

Down

$73,031

Down $25,207 (-26%) from 2022

Net Income

Up

$19,876

Up $52 (+0.3%) from 2022

Trend Graphs

Balance Sheet Trend

Asset Growth59th percentile

Grouped bars show assets, liabilities, and net assets across loaded filings.

$200K$150K$100K$50K$0Assets 2010: $99,403Liabilities 2010: $0Net Assets 2010: $99,4032010Assets 2011: $101,622Net Assets 2011: $101,6222011Assets 2012: $92,091Net Assets 2012: $92,0912012Assets 2013: $141,559Liabilities 2013: $0Net Assets 2013: $141,5592013Assets 2014: $127,138Liabilities 2014: $0Net Assets 2014: $127,1382014Assets 2015: $90,868Liabilities 2015: $0Net Assets 2015: $90,8682015Assets 2016: $86,582Liabilities 2016: $0Net Assets 2016: $86,5822016Assets 2017: $106,320Liabilities 2017: $0Net Assets 2017: $106,3202017Assets 2018: $96,405Liabilities 2018: $0Net Assets 2018: $96,4052018Assets 2019: $122,102Liabilities 2019: $0Net Assets 2019: $122,1022019Assets 2020: $139,169Liabilities 2020: $0Net Assets 2020: $139,1692020Assets 2021: $164,876Liabilities 2021: $0Net Assets 2021: $164,8762021Assets 2022: $184,700Liabilities 2022: $0Net Assets 2022: $184,7002022Assets 2024: $194,238Net Assets 2024: $194,2382024

Highlighted filing

2024

Assets$194,238
Liabilities-
Net Assets$194,238
Open 2024 Filing

Operations Trend

Revenue Growth41st percentile

Revenue, expenses, and net income by year, with the latest filing highlighted.

$150K$100K$50K$0-$50KRevenue 2010: $30,234Expenses 2010: $37,664Net Income 2010: -$7,4302010Revenue 2011: $55,617Expenses 2011: $53,398Net Income 2011: $2,2192011Revenue 2012: $61,969Expenses 2012: $71,500Net Income 2012: -$9,5312012Revenue 2013: $77,093Expenses 2013: $27,625Net Income 2013: $49,4682013Revenue 2014: $23,623Expenses 2014: $38,044Net Income 2014: -$14,4212014Revenue 2015: $6,870Expenses 2015: $43,140Net Income 2015: -$36,2702015Revenue 2016: $24,472Expenses 2016: $28,758Net Income 2016: -$4,2862016Revenue 2017: $38,826Expenses 2017: $19,088Net Income 2017: $19,7382017Revenue 2018: $36,253Expenses 2018: $46,168Net Income 2018: -$9,9152018Revenue 2019: $66,340Expenses 2019: $40,643Net Income 2019: $25,6972019Revenue 2020: $47,725Expenses 2020: $30,658Net Income 2020: $17,0672020Revenue 2021: $75,220Expenses 2021: $49,513Net Income 2021: $25,7072021Revenue 2022: $118,062Expenses 2022: $98,238Net Income 2022: $19,8242022Revenue 2024: $92,907Expenses 2024: $73,031Net Income 2024: $19,8762024

Highlighted filing

2024

Revenue$92,907
Expenses$73,031
Net Income$19,876
Open 2024 Filing

Filings

Most recent year

2024 • Form 990EZDetailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.

Open filing
Assets
$194,238
Liabilities
-
Net assets
$194,238
Revenue
$92,907
Expenses
$73,031
Net income
$19,876
Balance SheetOperations
YearAssetsLiabilitiesNet AssetsRevenueExpensesNet Income
2024Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.94$1.94$0.93$0.73$0.20
2022Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.85$0.00$1.85$1.18$0.98$0.20
2021Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.65$0.00$1.65$0.75$0.50$0.26
2020Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.39$0.00$1.39$0.48$0.31$0.17
2019Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.22$0.00$1.22$0.66$0.41$0.26
2018Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.96$0.00$0.96$0.36$0.46$0.10
2017Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.06$0.00$1.06$0.39$0.19$0.20
2016Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.87$0.00$0.87$0.24$0.29$0.04
2015Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$0.91$0.00$0.91$0.07$0.43$0.36
2014Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.27$0.00$1.27$0.24$0.38$0.14
2013Detailed filing. Detailed filing data is available for this year.$1.42$0.00$1.42$0.77$0.28$0.49
2012Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.92$0.92$0.62$0.72$0.10
2011Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$1.02$1.02$0.56$0.53$0.02
2010Facts available. Structured filing facts are available, but richer extracted sections are limited.$0.99$0.00$0.99$0.30$0.38$0.07
Latest Filing Detail
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Filing Snapshot
Filing Period
Jan 1, 2024 to Dec 31, 2024
Signed
Mar 2, 2025
Return Version
2024v5.2
Gross Receipts
$112,414
Mission and Program Overview

Mission

To provide equipment for special needs programs such as the special olympics. To provide sporting equipment for underpriviliged children and financial support to organizations providing medical assistance.

Program Services

DescriptionGrantsExpenses
TO PROVIDE EQUIPMENT FOR SPECIAL NEEDS PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS. TO PROVIDE SPORTING EQUIPMENT FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDING MEDICAL ASSISTANCE. TO PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO UNDERPRIVILEDGED CHILDREN TO ENABLE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS PROGRAMS.$0$46,449
Compensation and Service Providers
Top Officer Pay81st percentile

Employees

NameTitleFull / Part TimeBaseOtherTotal
MICHAEL ERUZIONETrusteePT$0--
Filing and Contact Details

Filer

Filer Name
Winthrop Charities Trust
EIN
04-3482791
Phone
6172857800
Address
28 THORNTON STREET, WINTHROP, MA 02152

Signing Officer

Name
Michael Eruzione
Title
Trustee
Phone
6172857800
Signed
2025-03-02
Discuss with paid preparer
Yes

Preparer

Firm
Robert Boodman & Associates LLC
Address
1 Hollis St Ste 327, Wellesley, MA 02482
Preparer
Robert Boodman
Phone
7817867800
Supplemental Narrative

Additional Explanations

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 10

“To fulfill exempt purpose; various; : , , , ; , 46449.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

“OFFICE EXPENSES 1152.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

“BANK CHARGES 71.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

“FUNDRAISING 24518.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

“Investment management fees 805.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 16

“Business registration 36.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 20

“UNREALIZED GAINS 753.”

Form 990EZ, Part I, Line 20

“Nondividend distributions 125.”

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